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[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Aquila

It's an interpretation of Revelation...

Revelation 19:17-18
17And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
18That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

The term "fowls" and "unclean and hateful bird" are phrases that can indicate angelic or fallen angelic beings...

Revelation 18:2
And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

It's not a hill I'll die on, but in my experience I've learned that most people know very little about angels. Angels are fearsome, bestial spiritual beings. Sometimes you don't know if an angel will reveal some vision, ancient wisdom, give a heavenly command, or roar and attack like a wild animal. Also consider that biblically speaking, angelic beings around throne of God are often called "creatures" or "beasts".

There are definitely classes of spirit beings that are no where near anthropomorphic. The cherubim are usually described as having the features of animals.

Whether this is intended to be taken literally or "just" as a characteristic feature of the beings described; both approaches would tend to indicate a nature as you are describing.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Aquila

IIt's not a hill I'll die on, but in my experience I've learned that most people know very little about angels. Angels are fearsome, bestial spiritual beings. Sometimes you don't know if an angel will reveal some vision, ancient wisdom, give a heavenly command, or roar and attack like a wild animal. Also consider that biblically speaking, angelic beings around throne of God are often called "creatures" or "beasts".

I do not believe cherubims, or the four beasts, are angelic creatures. The four beasts/cherubims cry out that they are redeemed from the tongues, tribes and peoples of the earth.

Rev 5:8-9 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. (9) And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

I once felt the Lord gave me a thought about this as they represented the church, since Adam gave names ONLY TO cattle, fowl, beasts and man.

Gen 2:20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.

Gen 3:20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

And the eagle is the king of the fowl, the lion is king of the beasts, and ox is king of the cattle in Hebrew culture.

The following show the cherubims as the same beings as the four beasts.

Rev 4:7 And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle.

Eze 10:1 Then I looked, and, behold, in the firmament that was above the head of the cherubims there appeared over them as it were a sapphire stone, as the appearance of the likeness of a throne.

Eze 10:14 And every one had four faces: the first face was the face of a cherub (ox in Ezek 1:10), and the second face was the face of a man, and the third the face of a lion, and the fourth the face of an eagle.

Representing the church, the cherubim seemed to represent the dominion Adam had in the earth since he named the animal kingdoms that these faces represented.

And then I read John Gill say the same thing!

Rev, 5:9 and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood, out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; this shows, that as the four living creatures, and four and twenty elders, were not angels, so they were not representatives of the Jewish church; or the patriarchs and prophets of the Old Testament; not even the apostles of the New; for they were all Jews, and could not be said to be redeemed out of every tongue, nation, and people; and also that not the Jews only were redeemed by Christ, but the Gentiles also, and not all mankind, or every individual of human nature, but some out of all the nations of the earth; for God hath chosen some, both of Jews and Gentiles, and these Christ has redeemed and therefore the Gospel is sent unto all nations, that these among them may be called and saved.

Gene 3:24 ...and these were hieroglyphics, not of a trinity of persons, as some of late have stupidly imagined; for these were the seat of the divine Majesty, and between which he dwelt: and besides, as these had four faces, they would rather represent a quaternity than a trinity, and would give a similitude of the divine Being, which cannot be done, and be contrary to the second command; to which may be added, that the word is sometimes singular as well as plural: but these were hieroglyphics of the ministers of the word, whose understanding, humility, and tenderness, are signified by the face of a man; their strength, courage, and boldness, by that of a lion; their labour and diligence by that of an ox; and their quick sight and penetration into divine things by that of an eagle, which are the forms and figures of the cherubim;

Noah was associated with these four specific "kingdoms of creation" as well.

Gen 9:10 And with every living creature that is with you, of the fowl, of the cattle, and of every beast of the earth with you; from all that go out of the ark, to every beast of the earth.

[mental]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Hey! Another Michael Heiser subscriber?

I like his stuff. He is not afraid to think outside the box, but doesn't believe every wacky thing that comes along.

[Michlow]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Actually it was a reference to "Warehouse 13" -a show on the Sci Fi channel.

Only heathens, who also happen to be sci-fi geeks, like me, got that one! LOL

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by John Atkinson

The Sun is a cross between the National Enquirer and the New York Post. Credible Journalism aren't words that apply. They may not go as far as posting the three headed bat boy stories but not by much.

I wondered if this was that sort of rag.