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06-03-2010, 04:30 PM
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Re: How many times did you ask God for the Holy Gh
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Originally Posted by Jeffrey
Then I've been successful! 
He definitely gives gifts, not as a reward for something we've earned, but because that's his nature. His gifts are always undeserved.
Now that doesn't mean, independent of his gift, that he doesn't expect things of us. He wants our devotion, trust and heart. He's a lover wooing us in.
Proudfather, continue to post. You won't like how everyone disagrees on here, some won't get into the fine details with you, others will. Then again, those who enjoy the details may feel like you aren't wanting to go there with them either. So, just stick around. |
Of course His gifts are undeserved. Always have been, always will be. They most certainly can not be earned.
That being said, God still doesn't hand out all of His gifts to just anyone who asks simply because they have asked. If that were the case, then even a non-repentant satanist would receive the gift of the Holy Ghost if they were to ask for it.
God, in his love and mercy, does give many gifts without repentance. It rains on the just and on the unjust. However, when it comes to salvation and the indwelling of His Spirit, God has always had requirements.
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06-03-2010, 04:31 PM
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Re: How many times did you ask God for the Holy Gh
Noeticknight, I know some people have done with tongues what you claim and indeed gave it a bad name. But I only look at them and say, "By reason of whom the way of truths shall be evil spoken of." We cannot determine lack of veracity of doctrine by any abuse of it. So I do not agree with your assessment. It is considering doctrine subjectively instead of objectively. Regardless of how something is abused or not, we must find our source of the doctrine in exegetical study of the bible only.
Since anti-"tongues as initial evidence" people make such a concern over the abuses of those who propose tongues as initial evidence as their main point against the idea, this shows me a divergence away from the bible as "the" foundation for their concerns.
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06-03-2010, 04:32 PM
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Re: How many times did you ask God for the Holy Gh
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Please elaborate, because if you are saying what I think you are saying then I am amazed!
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I am saying that Occam's Razor does make the tongues of 1 Cor 14 to be the same tongues of Acts 2. Be amazed! You made a very good point with that.
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06-03-2010, 04:35 PM
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Re: How many times did you ask God for the Holy Gh
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I am saying that Occam's Razor does make the tongues of 1 Cor 14 to be the same tongues of Acts 2. Be amazed! You made a very good point with that. |
What about those of 1 Corinthians 12?
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06-03-2010, 04:36 PM
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Re: How many times did you ask God for the Holy Gh
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Yes, included. ALL tongues, according to Occam's razor, unless I am missing something.
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06-03-2010, 04:38 PM
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Re: How many times did you ask God for the Holy Gh
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Originally Posted by ouden katakrim
Hmmm...the idea of us asking God for His Spirit by faith and Him not giving it is a degradation of God's character.
I know the OP songbook on this subject note by note and it is egregious in it's representation of God.
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The idea of us asking God for His Spirit without first having repented of everything that is contrary to God is ludicrous.
Its as ludicrous as saying that God is Love therefore He won't judge and condemn anyone to hell because He can't, its against His nature, for God is love.
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06-03-2010, 04:39 PM
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Re: How many times did you ask God for the Holy Gh
I'm more of a Black Swan theory kind of guy... in that just because we haven't seen a black swan, doesn't mean that black swans do not exist...
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06-03-2010, 04:40 PM
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Re: How many times did you ask God for the Holy Gh
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Yes, included. ALL tongues, according to Occam's razor, unless I am missing something.
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Awesome. So you don't believe that all Christians speak with tongues as 1 Corinthans 12:30 states? (Which implies that tongues are not the only initial evidence of the Holy Ghost?)
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06-03-2010, 04:41 PM
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Re: How many times did you ask God for the Holy Gh
Acts 5:32 KJV ... the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
What think ye of the context of the term OBEY? ASKING is obeying? I think not.
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06-03-2010, 04:42 PM
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Re: How many times did you ask God for the Holy Gh
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Awesome. So you don't believe that all Christians speak with tongues as 1 Corinthans 12:30 states? (Which implies that tongues are not the only initial evidence of the Holy Ghost?)
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No, not necessarily. I am saying Occam's Razor concludes that.
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