Going to see Stoneking tomorrow:

[Sam]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

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I remember a message on the "Pearl of Great Price" LS preached that stays with me to this day.
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Just curious,
did he preach that the Pearl of Great Price is Jesus that we find after seeking all over and then we must sell all we have to purchase Him
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did he preach that the Pearl of Great Price is the one indivisible Church for which Jesus paid His all?

ref: Matthew 13:45-46

[Justin]

Originally Posted by Justin

If you have heard Stoneking's "Order of Creation" message: would you say this is an accurate summary of Stoneking's "Order of Creation" message? If I am wrong let me know! I'm not looking for criticism of his teachings, just whether or not this is an accurate summary of what he teaches and believes.

Summary of Stoneking's 1 Corinthians 11:1-16 exegesis:

God established an order or rule of submission called "The Order of Creation", which is built from 1 Corinthians 11:3; But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. Thus it is layed out: God, Christ, Man, Woman. When a man or woman does not comply with this order, they are out of God's will. This is accomplished by men having long hair and woman having cut hair. Angels and the spirit realm are confused with a woman enters the presence of God with cut hair, in fact, a woman should not bother entering God presence or casting out demons if she has cut hair. A woman's hair can easily be "uncut" simply when a woman makes up her mind that it is wrong to cut her hair. From that point on, her hair is uncut and she is now back in line with the God's order of creation.

Evil angels seek women that are outside of God's order of creation by their unwillingness to keep their hair uncut. After roughly two years of not cutting their hair men begin to fight the spirit of homosexualism. Verse 10 shows that a woman has power on her head through/by/with angels. The power refers to authority, which is spiritual authority. Women have authority over angels by their uncut hair, something men cannot do. Woman can and should use this spiritual authority to protect and guard their homes, kids and husband. Thus, the full order of creation is: God, Christ, Man, Woman, Angels. There is nothing "magical" about a woman's uncut head of hair, but rather it is her faith that God will honor for her willingness to fulfill God's proper order of creation. There is nothing wrong with a woman letting down her hair to lay it over a loved one in order to remind God that she has followed the order of creation by not cutting her hair.

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

I have heard him preach this before. In fact, you just summoned it up in a way which took seconds for me to read, but took an hour for him to get across. My guess is that the total time he spoke was a little over two hours.

Thanks for your input Randy, are there any other takers? Have I properly and fairly summarized Stoneking's message entitled "Order of Creation".

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by Sam

Just curious,
did he preach that the Pearl of Great Price is Jesus that we find after seeking all over and then we must sell all we have to purchase Him
or
did he preach that the Pearl of Great Price is the one indivisible Church for which Jesus paid His all?

ref: Matthew 13:45-46

I was a child, which was oh so long ago. I remember him talking about giving our all to gain the pearl that is Jesus. It stays with me I suppose because it made an impression on me as a child. I guess I stopped playing with toys and tic-tac-toe and started listening.

I just preached on the pearl of great price and the treasure in the field and prached that its both: we find Jesus and sell all to gain Him. He gave all so He could attain what He values most---the Church.

[determined]

Originally Posted by Sherri

I don't even know how to respond to this. Lord, I'm trying to be nice, so I guess I'll just keep my mouth shut.

me too! Goodness! But, I'm not surprised. Same stuff LS has been doing for years. He definitely has a following though. And seemingly has "mentored" some other popular UPC ministers.....in almost a strange way.

[Sister Alvear]

if I want to see magic I will go to the circus not to the church....

Acts 8:9-13 ESV /
But there was a man named Simon, who had previously practiced magic in the city and amazed the people of Samaria, saying that he himself was somebody great. They all paid attention to him, from the least to the greatest, saying, “This man is the power of God that is called Great.” And they paid attention to him because for a long time he had amazed them with his magic. But when they believed Philip as he preached good news about the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Even Simon himself believed, and after being baptized he continued with Philip. And seeing signs and great miracles performed, he was amazed.

[Sister Alvear]

When my darling grand baby was between life and death I told God I had tried to do everything in my power to please Him and I think it is ok to talk to God like that because He is our father...however the thought of waving hair over the baby that was struggling to breath would have been foolish...lol...I guess I could have got old pictures out and showed God preaching about him to the lepers....and where ever....BUT that was never mentioned when He talked about healing...Whatever I do or you do would really be nothing compared to what He did for us...Our righteousness is faulty...and ofter mired by conceit....

[Sister Alvear]

Originally Posted by Sherri

Then LS should be powerless - since he has no woman to cover him.

...love you,my friend...

[Sister Alvear]

actually he is an awesome preacher...I am sorry he has got off into magic hair...I heard him preach an awesome sermon on, I choose to gamble it all....

[Arphaxad]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I agree. You can have a boring service, especially, on a Wednesday night because people are tired and not expecting anything to happen - so then nothing does happen! LOL!

for the ones that still expect something to happen, than anything can happen, it doesn't matter what anyone else expects.

[Sister Alvear]

We have had some mighty powerful Wed. night services here in Brazil....