UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit! - Page 12

jfrog · #**111** 07-13-2010, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Cindy, he didn't make the public statement until 3 months after the divorce was final. The daughter and husband were married another 4 months after that.

I'm sure his daughter being interested in the ex had everything to do with him making a public statement. I can imagine my father feeling the need to do the same thing, although hopefully with a bit more wisdom in regard to the details. Actually, I can see my Dad fumbling it even worse.

The implication here is that the marriage was conveniently helped to its dissolution so that the daughter and ex-husband could pursue their already formed romantic relationship. I don't feel that is a fair assessment.

I've read every post on this thread and no one implied that! Not even me and I made what were some of the boldest comments on that topic.

MissBrattified · #**112** 07-13-2010, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jfrog

I don't. It sounds too much to me like it started out as one of those pentecostal only issues of "she wore a bikini while swimming with mixed company".

That's possible.

Since the article was written by a secular news agency, and seemed to be sympathetic toward the ex-wife, I would think they would include that vindicating bit of information if it actually existed.

DAII · #**113** 07-13-2010, 12:24 PM

Angela's complaint, which was heard by a jury of her and Mark Fogarty's peers, states that this was more than just slander of reputation ... it goes against the state's definition of fornication and accuses her of committing a state crime(s) ... Adultery, child molestation and bestiality included:

Praxeas · #**114** 07-13-2010, 12:25 PM

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Let's stick to the facts and not interpretations of a news article ...

From the official court complaint where the pastor seemingly leaves the option to choose what type of fornication was committed to the congregants that Tuesday night (Source:http://www.13wmaz.com/news/PDF/driver_complaint.pdf) :

Even that shows the Pastor did not say she committed them all. She committed one of them. That is my point, He did not say he committed all of them. That's now what the article said

MissBrattified · #**115** 07-13-2010, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jfrog

I've read every post on this thread and no one implied that! Not even me and I made what were some of the boldest comments on that topic.

jfrog, the implication with this line of reasoning. I object to the innuendo as a whole, which can be taken quite far.

jfrog · #**116** 07-13-2010, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

That's possible.

Since the article was written by a secular news agency, and seemed to be sympathetic toward the ex-wife, I would think they would include that vindicating bit of information if it actually existed.

They probably didn't get any more in depth than what the pastor claimed. It was enough to make him look foolish to the rest of the world by saying he was calling wearing a bikini an act of fornication.

Cindy · #**117** 07-13-2010, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Cindy, he didn't make the public statement until 3 months after the divorce was final. The daughter and husband were married another 4 months after that.

I'm sure his daughter being interested in the ex had everything to do with him making a public statement. I can imagine my father feeling the need to do the same thing, although hopefully with a bit more wisdom in regard to the details. Actually, I can see my Dad fumbling it even worse.

The implication here is that the marriage was conveniently helped to its dissolution so that the daughter and ex-husband could pursue their already formed romantic relationship. I don't feel that is a fair assessment.

I think the pastor should have never talked about the lady in church, period. In private would have been much better. I think it harmed him and his family, also.

MissBrattified · #**118** 07-13-2010, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Even that shows the Pastor did not say she committed them all. She committed one of them. That is my point, He did not say he committed all of them. That's now what the article said

"[Driver's Attorney] said Angela Driver was accused in front of the congregation in effect of nine acts that ranged from bestiality to prostitution to child molestation because the pastor never named which one she actually was accused of doing."

DAII · #**119** 07-13-2010, 12:30 PM

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Even that shows the Pastor did not say she committed them all. She committed one of them. That is my point, He did not say he committed all of them. That's now what the article said

But because through his manipulative tactics ... it leaves the hearers to pick from these heinous act which adds to the grievous nature of the slander ....

He was better served to say what it was at the pulpit .... than have to explain himself in court.

MissBrattified · #**120** 07-13-2010, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jfrog

They probably didn't get any more in depth than what the pastor claimed. It was enough to make him look foolish to the rest of the world by saying he was calling wearing a bikini an act of fornication.

And I agree that it was silly to call wearing a bikini an act of fornication. My feeling is that the husband suspected more (which is why they divorced), but that the bikini *episode* was probably his only "evidence."