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Re: Prop 8 overruled by gay judge!
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There was no need for a law, marriage was defined by society as a union between a man and a woman.
If marriage has always been defined in the US as a union between same or opposite sexes then why is this only an issue in recent years?
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Prax, there was no specific law.
Some groups want to make it a law, and even amend the Fed Constitution.
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08-05-2010, 12:48 PM
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Re: Prop 8 overruled by gay judge!
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That's just silly. Transferring the arguments to non-humans seems desperate.
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It's not desperate or silly. It's just a progression of thought you don't want to consider.
Marriage in our society has always been defined as a man and a woman. Now it's being redefined to include same sex. Who is to say some won't try to redefine it again?
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08-05-2010, 12:50 PM
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Re: Prop 8 overruled by gay judge!
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A judge is supposed to have a tract record, prior to being appointed, of interpreting the law objectively and without advocacy. This is why it shouldn't be an issue if a President nominates a Christian as a Supreme Court judge --- it should be a non-issue to their ability to interpret. A Christian shouldn't be recused simply because he's suspsected of being an activist.
Either way, the Supreme Court will likely hear this case next... maybe.
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Despite that, judges are routinely recused for possible conflict of interest.
Don't litigants have the right to ask the judge if he will be impartial or if he has any personal feelings in a certain case that might influence his or her decision?
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08-05-2010, 12:51 PM
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Re: Prop 8 overruled by gay judge!
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Prax, there was no specific law.
Some groups want to make it a law, and even amend the Fed Constitution.
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Like I said, there was NO NEED for a law. Marriage was defined by our society as a union between a man and a woman.
Homosexuals can have civil unions.
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08-05-2010, 12:53 PM
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Re: Prop 8 overruled by gay judge!
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And there are homosexuals that oppose same-sex marriage! 
I see your point about the judge's bias. However, a judge's primary duty is to overcome duty in his interpretation of the law. This has to be demonstrated usually before they are appointed to the State Supreme Court or any other major court. FTR, this particular judge was appointed by Conservatives, and happens to be a constitutional conservative as well. |
Right. But I think it would be far to ask the judge how he feels just as they do to potential jurists before a trial
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08-05-2010, 01:00 PM
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Re: Prop 8 overruled by gay judge!
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It's not desperate or silly. It's just a progression of thought you don't want to consider.
Marriage in our society has always been defined as a man and a woman. Now it's being redefined to include same sex. Who is to say some won't try to redefine it again?
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No, Prax, it's desperate and silly.
It would be laughed out of a court room, if it even got a chance for an argument in a court room.
It's not apples-to-apples. We're talking humans that have "certain inalienable rights" and non-humans, which are not protected under the law in this way.
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08-05-2010, 01:02 PM
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Re: Prop 8 overruled by gay judge!
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Like I said, there was NO NEED for a law. Marriage was defined by our society as a union between a man and a woman.
Homosexuals can have civil unions.
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Actually, less than 10 years ago, Homosexuals weren't allowed to have civil unions.
Yes, it was a society definition. Certain minorities felt like the majority's definition infringed on their right, and they appealed to the Constitution in a lawsuit.
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08-05-2010, 01:02 PM
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Re: Prop 8 overruled by gay judge!
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Right. But I think it would be far to ask the judge how he feels just as they do to potential jurists before a trial
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I agree.
But what if the judge said he was a "traditional family" guy? What then? Can we find an objective judge?
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08-05-2010, 02:04 PM
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Re: Prop 8 overruled by gay judge!
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Originally Posted by Socialite
No, Prax, it's desperate and silly.
It would be laughed out of a court room, if it even got a chance for an argument in a court room.
It's not apples-to-apples. We're talking humans that have "certain inalienable rights" and non-humans, which are not protected under the law in this way.
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That is your opinion. Im not sure if you see my point, but let me add that not to long ago the notion of two men getting married would be laughed at. It was an absurd suggestion.
Marriage has been defined by society as a union and contract between a man and a woman.
As for animals, the fact that they have no protection under the law does not mean a man can not marry his goat if he wanted to...the goat has no rights to protect him FROM such a thing.
What is happening is more than "legalities". The law that was proposed was a law some thought was needed to protect what society has defined since it was founded, that marriage is a union of a man and woman. Up until recently no law was needed because no challenge to the social norm was made
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- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
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08-05-2010, 02:07 PM
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Re: Prop 8 overruled by gay judge!
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Actually, less than 10 years ago, Homosexuals weren't allowed to have civil unions.
Yes, it was a society definition. Certain minorities felt like the majority's definition infringed on their right, and they appealed to the Constitution in a lawsuit.
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So, now (beginning roughly 10 years ago), homosexuals can have civil unions? Good. Why then is it necessary to be married? Why is it necessary to redefine Marriage?
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
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- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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