Is Jesus Sitting on a Throne in His Flesh?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by BroGary

Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Acts 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

The same "flesh and bones" resurrected Jesus will return.

Amen. It cannot get any plainer than that!

[mental]

Originally Posted by BroGary

Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Acts 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

The same "flesh and bones" resurrected Jesus will return.

I'm not sure this shows anything. First the word "same" is not in the Greek. The Greek is simply οὗτος ὁ Ἰησοῡς, or “this Jesus”. Secondly you have to ask were the identity of a person resides. Is it in their flesh? I would say no. Jesus could return without the same body He left with and still be the same Jesus. I'm not saying he did or didn't have the same body. I'm just saying these scriptures don't really prove either way.

[BroGary]

Originally Posted by mental

I'm not sure this shows anything. First the word "same" is not in the Greek. The Greek is simply οὗτος ὁ Ἰησοῡς, or “this Jesus”. Secondly you have to ask were the identity of a person resides. Is it in their flesh? I would say no. Jesus could return without the same body He left with and still be the same Jesus. I'm not saying he did or didn't have the same body. I'm just saying these scriptures don't really prove either way.

No offense bro, but Jesus made it pretty clear to the disiciples after He resurrected that it was not a spirit they were seeing, but an actual physical body of flesh and bones, He even ate some food to give them additional proof !

(and I don't remember reading where He ever gave up His resurrected physical body, so there is no scriptural reason to think He no longer has it)

Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Luke 24:40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.

Luke 24:41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?

Luke 24:42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.

Luke 24:43 And he took it, and did eat before them

John 20:25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.

John 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

John 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Yes! It gives people something to argue about!

yeah, more godhead gobbeldy gook

[mental]

Originally Posted by BroGary

No offense bro, but Jesus made it pretty clear to the disiciples after He resurrected that it was not a spirit they were seeing, but an actual physical body of flesh and bones, He even ate some food to give them additional proof !

(and I don't remember reading where He ever gave up His resurrected physical body, so there is no scriptural reason to think He no longer has it)

Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Luke 24:40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.

Luke 24:41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?

Luke 24:42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.

Luke 24:43 And he took it, and did eat before them

John 20:25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.

John 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

John 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

I don't think you read my post.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by BroGary

No offense bro, but Jesus made it pretty clear to the disiciples after He resurrected that it was not a spirit they were seeing, but an actual physical body of flesh and bones, He even ate some food to give them additional proof !

(and I don't remember reading where He ever gave up His resurrected physical body, so there is no scriptural reason to think He no longer has it)

Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Luke 24:40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.

Luke 24:41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?

Luke 24:42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.

Luke 24:43 And he took it, and did eat before them

John 20:25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.

John 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

John 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

This is all true but this does not mean there wasn't a change afterwards, before He ascended to heaven.

Also, nobody knows what a spiritual body (see 1cor 15) is for sure. We do know it is different. Jesus was able to change his appearance or make them not recognize him as well as walk through walls or something to that effect. It may be that his body was changed into that spiritual body but that spiritual body is a body of flesh and bones yet with some major differences.

We will also be changed into that body we are told

[BroGary]

Originally Posted by mental

I don't think you read my post.

Sorry bro, did not mean to imply anything negative, this is not meant as an "arguement", simply a discussion :-)

I was just further elaborating with some additional scriptures that Jesus did indeed have a physical body when He resurrected.

(not referring to you specifically, but just speaking in general - I just can't believe how any apostolic could think that Jesus did not resurrrect with a physical body given the scriptures mentioned :-)

[BroGary]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

This is all true but this does not mean there wasn't a change afterwards, before He ascended to heaven.

Also, nobody knows what a spiritual body (see 1cor 15) is for sure. We do know it is different. Jesus was able to change his appearance or make them not recognize him as well as walk through walls or something to that effect. It may be that his body was changed into that spiritual body but that spiritual body is a body of flesh and bones yet with some major differences.

We will also be changed into that body we are told

The scriptures are pretty clear that Jesus had an actual "flesh and bones" physical body, He could even eat the same natural physical food the disiciples ate.

Of course it was a glorified body that would not have all the same limitations His physical body had before the resurrection, but it was still "flesh and bones" nonetheless.

Yep, and I am looking forward to when we have the same type of glorified bodies, no longer affected by the negative effects we have to endure now :-)

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by BroGary

The scriptures are pretty clear that Jesus had an actual "flesh and bones" physical body, He could even eat the same natural physical food the disiciples ate.

I never denied that. The point I was making is this was before His ascension

Of course it was a glorified body that would not have all the same limitations His physical body had before the resurrection, but it was still "flesh and bones" nonetheless.

Maybe, maybe not. Maybe it was not complete yet until he was ascended. Why would his perfect spiritual body have holes in it from the crucifixion?

Joh 20:17 Jesus said to her, "Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"

[mental]

Originally Posted by BroGary

Sorry bro, did not mean to imply anything negative, this is not meant as an "arguement", simply a discussion :-)

I was just further elaborating with some additional scriptures that Jesus did indeed have a physical body when He resurrected.

(not referring to you specifically, but just speaking in general - I just can't believe how any apostolic could think that Jesus did not resurrrect with a physical body given the scriptures mentioned :-)

No offense taken. I wasn't arguing for or against a physical body though. I was simply saying that I don't think the verses you used support a physical body. Jesus would still be the same Jesus with our without a physical body. I am guessing that those who believe Jesus no longer has a physical body would say it occurred when he ascended to the Father and was glorified.