Isaiah 3 and jewelry...

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by rdp

Don't really get the ambiguity here. Will just reaffirm that the devil is not a very good example to appeal to...."amused" indeed!

BTW, The Holy Spirit is the one who pointed out the connection to decorative ornamentation & Lucifer's fall, not me....go argue w/ Him!

Too busy for this non-sense......

Please elaborate on where the Text says the jewels that Lucifer had were his sin.

I'm not appealing to the Devil, I'm appealing to Lucifer, who was the Morning Star, a prime example of what an angel should be/do. Actually, I'm not appealing even to Lucifer, I'm appealing to the reality that in Heaven, he was decked in jewels, BEFORE he had fallen with his I WILL statements. His beauty was not his sin, his attitudes about his beauty, and who he was, became his sins.

Next thing you'll tell me is that choir directors are too much like Satan?

I think you are arguing a losing case on this point.

Thou was perfect in thy ways from the day thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

When Lucifer spoke, he spoke like a musical instrument; it was descant, and music. The Bible teaches us that he lived in a glorious place. In Ezekiel 28:13 it speaks of him living in a place with every precious stone. His apparel was decked with jewels.

The jewels were part of his inhabitance.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by rdp

"Beware lest any man spoil you with PHILOSOPHY, after the TRADITIONS OF MEN.....". Nice excercise in Freudian Philosophy RandyWayne, but think I'll stick w/ the Book!

Besides, does one HAVE to obey the biblical teachings on repentance to be saved? Watch that banana peel.....you "legalist." !

You do not want to see my 192 rules "to be saved by"! It would make the Ferengi's "Rules of Acquisitions" pale in comparison!

And I don't know why you brought Freud into it, there was not one mention of your mother (how is she by the way?).

What I was simply doing, is using an IDENTICAL use of the word "not" to that used in the verses you continually throw out, in an attempt to clarify its meaning.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by rdp

Was it sinful for God to create mankind? No, but did mankind later fall? Yes! Keep on...you're geting closer!

Gotta' run to work myself...check in next week.

Point being God decked him with jewels and such.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Point being God decked him with jewels and such.

God decked him in jewelry when he was in favor with God.

Just like God decked His child bride in jewelry in Ezekiel 16:1-14.

This decking out in jewelry was spoken of favorably by God.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Socialite

Please elaborate on where the Text says the jewels that Lucifer had were his sin.

For the 3rd time now, I reaffirm that the Holy Spirit explicitly mentions Lucifer's ornaments in connection w/ his fall. Are you denying this biblical fact?

I'm not appealing to the Devil, I'm appealing to Lucifer, who was the Morning Star, a prime example of what an angel should be/do. Actually, I'm not appealing even to Lucifer, I'm appealing to the reality that in Heaven, he was decked in jewels, BEFORE he had fallen with his I WILL statements. His beauty was not his sin, his attitudes about his beauty,

I would agree w/ this, but simply point out that his "beauty" & "attitude" was affected by his decorative ornamentation. Yes, God is the one who put them on him, but God is the One who also created mankind, who also fell. So, since God created man, according to your logic, should we now approve of his sins? Moreover, Lucifers was not the temple of God, as we are today [neither was Rebekah, by the way].

and who he was, became his sins.

Next thing you'll tell me is that choir directors are too much like Satan?

The Bible doesn't say, "Not with choir directors," but it does say "Not with gold, pearls, or costly array." Do you believe those NT instructions to the church? Yes or No:_________?

I think you are arguing a losing case on this point.

I don't. I Tim. 2 & I Ptr. 3 instruct the NT church not to adorn themselves in jewelry. What in the world is sooooo difficult to unserstand about this?

Thou was perfect in thy ways from the day thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

When Lucifer spoke, he spoke like a musical instrument; it was descant, and music. The Bible teaches us that he lived in a glorious place. In Ezekiel 28:13 it speaks of him living in a place with every precious stone. His apparel was decked with jewels.

The jewels were part of his inhabitance.

And are also referenced in connection w/ his fall. Honestly, it's beyond me how we can argue about the devil as support of jewelry!

[rdp]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

You do not want to see my 192 rules "to be saved by"! It would make the Ferengi's "Rules of Acquisitions" pale in comparison!

More adding to the Word I see...moving right along....

And I don't know why you brought Freud into it, there was not one mention of your mother (how is she by the way?).

Yes, reeeeeeeeeal "Christian". Who in the world takes you seriously? I certainly don't. Save your philosophical reasonings for the simple. I have a Bible!

What I was simply doing, is using an IDENTICAL use of the word "not" to that used in the verses you continually throw out, in an attempt to clarify its meaning.

Equivocation Fallacy alert! You really need to study a bit on logical fallacies...you commit them all of the time, as demonstrated above.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Point being God decked him with jewels and such.

Point being God also created mankind, who later fell into gross immorality. "And it repented God that he made man."

It's been fun........Shalom!

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sam

God decked him in jewelry when he was in favor with God.

Just like God decked His child bride in jewelry in Ezekiel 16:1-14.

This decking out in jewelry was spoken of favorably by God.

Then I suppose that it's okay for a NT child of God to be decked from head to toe in ornaments eh' Sam...since your appealing to the ever popular Ezek. 16? This would include nose rings, fine linen, tongue rings, etc. Based upon this, I suppose that the preacher could also spike his hair straight up in the air & then teach you how to live for Jesus?? If no, then to what Scriptures would you appeal to:___________? If yes, then, puhleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze!

You can't be serious!

[Sam]

Originally Posted by rdp

Then I suppose that it's okay for a NT child of God to be decked from head to toe in ornaments eh' Sam...since your appealing to the ever popular Ezek. 16? This would include nose rings, fine linen, tongue rings, etc. Based upon this, I suppose that the preacher could also spike his hair straight up in the air & then teach you how to live for Jesus?? If no, then to what Scriptures would you appeal to:___________? If yes, then, puhleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze!

You can't be serious!

yes, I am serious.
I honestly cannot see that the Bible teaches that a Christian cannot wear jewelry (including nose rings and tongue rings if they wish), and cannot wear clothes made from linen, or cannot spike their hair. I am not saying this for shock value or to be argumentative. I am saying it honestly. I do not believe that the New Testament teaches against the wearing of jewelry or the wearing of apparel/clothes or the combing and styling of hair. That is a conclusion based on over half a century of reading the Bible (mostly King James but several other versions too) and praying in the Holy Spirit on a regular basis.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by rdp

Point being God also created mankind, who later fell into gross immorality. "And it repented God that he made man."

It's been fun........Shalom!

A man with your logic should not accuse others of logical fallacies. It's a fallacy in itself! lol

Created who LATER fell. Your point? To say all about mankind was evil because he later fell is a FALLACY.

To say what God created was flawed because he LATER failed is a FALLACY.

In fact, out of all your arguments on this subject, this is the most entertaining.