not so.. I am merely voicing an unpopular opinion. I haen't griped about anyones opinion. I merely insinuated that those who hold a grudge against the UPCI should grow up and get over it... nothing whiny there.
And this is the thing, John. When you spoke about "a lot of these so-called "wrecked", wrecked themselves and the UPC is an easy blame agent", you have a very important and valid point here.
I am sure all of us have been at the cusp of anger, hurt, hatred and bitterness. It can be a severe battle of the mind and heart! We know what this feels like and we know the danger of not being patient in that situation/trial. It is a scary place to be, because you can go two ways. Go on with God or fall into that anger, hurt, hatred and bitterness, allowing it to consume you. That is the person that wrecks him/herself.
I don't speak of those that have left and gone on to greener pastures, abiding in God.
But, I have seen some who wrecked themselves. Instead of running/turning to God in that awful situation/trial, they closed themselves off and pushed away from God's help and direction.
So, yes, you have a valid point - some do wreck havoc on their own lives. The one that brought offence will answer for it, but, equally, the one offended who handled it wrong will answer with their life as well. We are accountable for our salvation and can't blame the failure on another.
2 Corinthians 2:14 "Now thanks be unto God, which always causeth us to triumph in Christ, and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place."
It's completely whiney in my opinion. And it's very hypocritical. Some here say what they feel is wrong with the UPC and don't tell you not to whine. But you tell others not to whine while you whine. Just sayin'.
Like JA I love the UPC. The Universal Pricing Code has made life so much easier. The speed with which people either check us out or we check ourselves out at a store is amazing compared to the days when I worked at a grocer store with a "pricing gun" attaching little price labels to every single product. Naturally many came of or were unreadable so checkers were constantly having to do "price checks". People under the age of 50 or so just have no idea what it was like before the UPC!
__________________ "I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
I can't say, "I love the UPCI" because to me the UPCI is a political/religious/business organization but I can say I love the people in the UPCI.
I can say I was baptized in Jesus' name in a UPC church
Elim Tabernacle in Milwaukee, WI on October 27, 1955
I can say I was baptized in the Holy Spirit in a UPC church
Bethel Tabernacle in Racine, WI on May 20, 1956 (Pentecost Sunday)
I am not now, nor have I ever been, licensed or ordained as a minister in the UPC and doubt if I will be at any time in the near future.
I did not get saved in the UPC. I was saved before I started going to a UPC church.
I did not get married in the UPC. I was married in the living room of my wife's grandparents house. Her grandfather performed the ceremony and he belonged to The Church of Jesus Christ.
Well you guys wanna pick bones, knock yerself out. Someone in the UPC hurt your feelings and you want to pitch a tent and camp there? be my guest.
I am sorta like the drill sergeant therapist in the new geico commercial..
If I had a quarter for every time in Navy boot camp Petty officer Marler or Chief Savaiinaia offended my sensibilities I'd be a millionaire.
I am really sorry, my tolerance for crybabies is 0. Cowboy up and live for God and stop whining.
I was a submariner and military before all the touchy-feely nonsense.
soooo....
Grow up and get over it.
I served 6 years in the Marines and tried to bring this Military analogy into my ministry. I've pastored for 14 years and have tried different things to help people understand God and His Will. In fact, so did my first Pastor who tried Military tactics in a spiritually based environment, and it destroyed him, while the entire Church fell apart.
He was a strict and squared away Marine. He made Staff Sergeant (E-5) in 6 years, and his military example was stellar. But, this didn't work with the Church and people who don't understand the Military way of life.
Less than 2 percent of Americans serve in the Military, and some statistics say less than 1 percent. Your ranting about calling God's People to attention, or wanting them to just "Fall In", won't work and is not God's plan according to His Word.
Your "grow up and get over it" mentality is not only immature, but leans on making anyone who doesn't agree with you as weak, or not willing to join your "Army".
I've come to understand one thing about Church; It is FULL of people who would never survive Marine Corps boot camp.
So NFS, I just can't understand these crybabies, whiners, and mambie-pambies dare complain about an organization that promotes, covers for, and harbors people like............ooooooohhhhhhh.............Lee Stoneking, for example. (Just randomly pulled a name out of the hat)
Ah well, what was was telling you people to grow up and get over was your hatred of the UPC, bad on me. CH Tatum is right. I helped Jim Yohe set up FCF, during a phase when NFCF was shut down for awhile I set up a forum for free for all the members to hang out at, called "the island".
I setup AFF for the owners therof and have worked to keep the backend going, fixed it when it was broke etc etc.
The true colors of this place now shine through. I express my love for an org I am not a part of (BTW, I love the ALJC too, not a member there either) and state they do a lot more good than bad, and I get jumped on by a pack of wolves.
So... ya'll have at it. I wash my hands of this place and will have nothing further to do with it.
This isn't an immature hissey fit, lets just say the straws have been piling on for quite some time. Everytime I read a post or a thread badmouthing some preacher or org another straw gets added. This thread was simply the final one.
The silent benefactor of 7 years has left the building...ciao people.
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