Isaiah 3 and jewelry...

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by acerrak

thou a wedding ring or rings in general may have a pagen origin, it does not mean they are pagen today. Just because something was used in a way 3000 years ago doesnt mean it is applicable today.

I.e. 50 years ago if i said i was gay it would mean i was happy, but today if i use this expression it means i sleep with the same sex. so thus we dont use the term to explain happiness.

also if we consider rings pagen, then we put Christ in a place were He is using a pagen atribute to describe the Love of the lost son comming Home. luke 15:22

a wedding ring is not what weds a couple together but it is a symbol or a covenant symbol between you and your wife and not just a symbol but also to show that you are married. there is absolutly nothing wrong with a wedding ring.

So past symbols of idolatry or satanism are acceptable for christian use?

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

So past symbols of idolatry or satanism are acceptable for christian use?

Luke 15:22 (King James Version)

22But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet:


surely your not trying to state that our Lord here is showing a example of paganism with the ring. i would hope not.

or maybe we can look at rings in Job which was a gift from His so called buddies, or the nose ring rebecka recieved for a gift. are any of these acts of idolatry or satanic in any way?

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

So past symbols of idolatry or satanism are acceptable for christian use?

So I wonder do you celibrate Christmas, Easter, birthdays etc. These all being based on idolatrous celibrations and not scripture. But then I might even go so far to say that our present day church buildings are based on idol worshiping temples.

Gods design was one tabernacle, no local places of meeting, everyone was to come to Jerusalem on the feast days. The rest of the time they only came to the tabernacle other than that is for sacrifice for sin.

In present day we are the tabernacle of God so where do we get this idea we need a church building?

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by acerrak

Luke 15:22 (King James Version)

22But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet:


surely your not trying to state that our Lord here is showing a example of paganism with the ring. i would hope not.

or maybe we can look at rings in Job which was a gift from His so called buddies, or the nose ring rebecka recieved for a gift. are any of these acts of idolatry or satanic in any way?

I didn't say all rings, but wedding rings came for paganism.


Many churches consider themselves against jewelry, but if they have wedding rings/watches they are not against jewelry.

Some say it's just to say they are married, but have a huge one with diamonds you can see across the room. obviously more then showing they are married.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

So I wonder do you celibrate Christmas, Easter, birthdays etc. These all being based on idolatrous celibrations and not scripture. But then I might even go so far to say that our present day church buildings are based on idol worshiping temples.

Gods design was one tabernacle, no local places of meeting, everyone was to come to Jerusalem on the feast days. The rest of the time they only came to the tabernacle other than that is for sacrifice for sin.

In present day we are the tabernacle of God so where do we get this idea we need a church building?

No easter or xmass here. Pentecost happened in a building in an upper room. Building are not wrong, but the steeples did come from idol worship.

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

I didn't say all rings, but wedding rings came for paganism.


Many churches consider themselves against jewelry, but if they have wedding rings/watches they are not against jewelry.

Some say it's just to say they are married, but have a huge one with diamonds you can see across the room. obviously more then showing they are married.

What meaning and value do they have today?

If the color green used to be used for occult but today shares nothing about that representation or value statement, then why wouldn't you wear it?

Our culture today finds wedding bands to be symbolic of marriage -- a very noble thing today.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

What meaning and value do they have today?

If the color green used to be used for occult but today shares nothing about that representation or value statement, then why wouldn't you wear it?

Our culture today finds wedding bands to be symbolic of marriage -- a very noble thing today.

Pagans using color is not the same as creating a ring specifically for pagan reasons. Now whether it looses it'sm pagan intent being acceptable for christian wear is the issue.

How far removed form pagan intent can christians partake of a pagan custom? At what point is it deemed acceptable? 1 year out, 2yr, 10yrs, 100yrs etc....

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Not saying that, but you have refered to gold being on the inside of the temple relating that to we are the temple of God today to support no jewely. Well, if we are gonna use the OT temple with gold on inside to prove a point for today then why not priest being decked out on outside used aa a point for today?? We are priest as well as the temple of God. You says it's foreshadow not to take literal for today, then why use gold inside temple as a foreshadow to not to be taken literal.

Because we are LITERALLY the temple of God, but we are FIGURATIVELY a "royal priesthood." Once one is baptized in the Holy Spirit & Jesus' Name baptism, they're the actual temple of God [i.e., God takes up residency w/in us]. Afterwards, we become minister unto God & others in a metaphorical sense. In sum, the temple is physical, while the "priesthood" is a figurative expression, much like "kings and priests unto God."

[rdp]

Originally Posted by acerrak

thou a wedding ring or rings in general may have a pagen origin, it does not mean they are pagen today. Just because something was used in a way 3000 years ago doesnt mean it is applicable today.

"If the root be holy, so are the branches." The "root" of rings is not "holy," neither is its "branch."

I.e. 50 years ago if i said i was gay it would mean i was happy, but today if i use this expression it means i sleep with the same sex. so thus we dont use the term to explain happiness.

False category assimilation. Terms are not ornametal jewelry.

also if we consider rings pagen, then we put Christ in a place were He is using a pagen atribute to describe the Love of the lost son comming Home. luke 15:22

Lk. 15 describes a signet ring to seal documents, not decorative jewelry.

a wedding ring is not what weds a couple together but it is a symbol or a covenant symbol between you and your wife and not just a symbol but also to show that you are married. there is absolutly nothing wrong with a wedding ring.

Wedding rings directly violate the context of I Ptr. 3, which was discussion of the marriage life, instructing imperatively "not with gold....". Wedding rings are "absolutely" wrong. It has always been the habit of mankind to make invisible covenants visible, then tenaciously cling to the "symbol." Hmmm, why not literally wear the "symbol" of the baptism covenant initiation?

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

So I wonder do you celibrate Christmas, Easter, birthdays etc. These all being based on idolatrous celibrations and not scripture. But then I might even go so far to say that our present day church buildings are based on idol worshiping temples.

Gods design was one tabernacle, no local places of meeting, everyone was to come to Jerusalem on the feast days. The rest of the time they only came to the tabernacle other than that is for sacrifice for sin.

In present day we are the tabernacle of God so where do we get this idea we need a church building?

even the names of the days of the week are pagan