Did God use evolution to create life

[coadie]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I counted 173 examples of "transitional fossils" discovered since the publication of "Origin of Species" given on this page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...tional_fossils

coadie, or anyone - select just 10% of this list - 17 fossils "that don't exist" and demonstrate to us all just why they do not represent "transitional fossils" as Charles Darwin had predicted would be discovered.

You don't even have to have "studied" genetics at the post graduate level at an "Ivy League" university as coadie claims he has done.


(Still waiting for proof on that, too, coadie).

That means we are several billions short for transitionals.

But where is the "transitional" for a 3 to 4 chambered heart?

Make something up???

[coadie]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Before we move on to Eugenie Scott, how about if you utilize your "Ivy League" "education" in genetics and respond to:










No, that is not what "Neo Darwinism" ever says. And, just how could a life long battle and struggle be "the hedonists dream?" I thought "hedonists" like Hefner just wanted to take it easy and "par-tay."

Materialists don't have consequences for for acting like apes in the jungle.
That is why the evolutionists despise the concept of a Creator. He set rules for Adam and Eve. Just one.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by coadie

That means we are several billions short for transitionals.

But where is the "transitional" for a 3 to 4 chambered heart?

Make something up???

You still haven't responded to my repeated requests for an answer to that one:

Originally Posted by pelathais

SIGH!

I have responded with:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2747104/ - "Xenopus" is an order of frogs.

http://www.biologynews.net/archives/...le_hearts.html

Now, coadie, you must respond to that.

Try to focus, Little Buddy. Focus.

Even an amoeba will respond to external stimuli. I was hoping for a little more "evolved" answer from you.

By the way - we're all still keen on seeing some proof that you studied genetics at an "Ivy League school." You made the assertion. Now prove it.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I realize that "coadie" has now shifted into that gear that ultimately gets him banned from Christian and Apostolic forums. Sad.

But he is following the same pattern of deception that folks like Arlo Moehlenpah, Steve and Dana Grohman, Ken Ham, the currently incarcerated fraud "Dr Dino" Kent Hovind, Duane Gish and the now anonymous leaders of the "Institute for Creation Research." (Why the current anonymity, dudes?)

They just attempt to fill up the public discourse with unsupportable and ridiculous assertions. They will never respond to honest questions. If you try to "hold their feet to the fire" and insist upon a dialog - they act just like coadie and bust a vein.

Again, why do otherwise intelligent Oneness people even give any credence to this fraud?

Arlo? Steve? Why do you perpetrate such a fraud on Apostolic people?

I never get an answer. It's all just like Lee Stoneking's fraudulent claims to have earned a "Doctorate." You call them on it - you even call them on the phone and send email. No response at all to the charges of "fraud." What do these guys really know that they aren't telling?

Who are these people you mention?

Is this because you can't address biological issues?

‘Yet Gould [Stephen J. Gould—the now deceased professor of paleontology from Harvard University] and the American Museum people are hard to contradict when they say there are no transitional fossils. … You say that I should at least “show a photo of the fossil from which each type of organism was derived.” I will lay it on the line—there is not one such fossil for which one could make a watertight argument

Looks like Gould and wiki and yourself struggle to get your stories straight.
I know you are unable to take genetic samples on these "fossils" the wiki claims are transitional.
Wiki is not a science source worthy of mention.

When you speak of deceptions, are we talking Piltdown man?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by coadie

Materialists don't have consequences for for acting like apes in the jungle.
That is why the evolutionists despise the concept of a Creator. He set rules for Adam and Eve. Just one.

I don't really have any confidence that coadie will supply any accurate information - let alone any coherent information on this topic. Last time we tried this he hopelessly spun out of control and into the abyss.

But, his rants do touch on items that some folks may simply not have had any opportunity to look into for themselves... so, we'll take advantage of this circus performance of his to look at some of these thoughts.

There is a common idea that "If man evolved from animals, what's wrong with him 'acting like an animal?'" What keeps humans (most humans) from deteriorating into an "animal state" of aggression of violence?

This is a question that's been debated since ancient times - even before the advent of the Bible and Christian thought on the matter. It is a complex but interesting discussion.

First of all, let's consider the scientific terminology on the matter of evolution. A "species" is usually defined as a specific category of organisms that are capable of breeding with one another. The word "species" is a noun.

Do you know what the adjective form of this same root word is? The root word for "species?" It's "special." Human beings are a "species," and they are "special." Of course, with regard to taxonomic categories, every "species" is "special" in it's own way. But focusing on the human species, we are immediately presented with the idea that we are a "special" and unique organism.

This isn't always understood. When the Phoenician explorers under Hanno attempted to first circumnavigate the African continent they record this experience:

" At the end of it was an island like the first one, with a lake in which was another island full of savages. The greater parts of these were women. They had hairy bodies and the interpreters called them Gorillas. We pursued some of the males but we could not catch a single one because they were good climbers and they defended themselves fiercely. However, we managed to take three women. They bit and scratched their captors, whom they did not want to follow. We killed them and removed the skins to take back to Carthage. We sailed no further, being short of supplies."

http://phoenicia.org/proutes.html

The unfortunate Phoenicians thought they were pursuing "savage" humans when attacking a band of gorillas. They simply had no idea what they were dealing with. They couldn't "tell the difference" between man and ape due to the similarities.

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[Bowas]

I quite agree. Science is pure rubbish as all we need to know is what has been handed down to us from our "Biblical scholars and teachers". I have even heard tell there are some out there claiming the sciences (so called) are claiming that not only is the earth not flat, but in fact the sun, moon and stars do not revolve around the earth. Hahaha. Boy, if only we had a way to excummicate them.
Anyway, let's not let the sciences cloud what we have always been taught, even though it may not actually say it specifically in the Bible, we have an image to maintain and everyone knows Christians and science do not mix. After all, it does say "come out from amoung them" and "we are a peculiar people" so lets live up to it to the fullest.
I will start by stating, "I am more peculiar than you, so there!!!"

[pelathais]

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Human beings have evolved in communities and have developed traits and behaviors whereby they will actually sacrifice their own individuality and even their lives in favor of the group. This is called "altruism."

We also see altruism in animal species. The plover bird will walk along the ground and fake injury to lure predators away from its nest. Mothers of many species will often fight to the death to protect their young. The "strategy" here is one of survival of the species over the survival of the individual.

In human beings, the greatest heroes of every culture is the hero who sacrifices himself/herself for the good of the community or other groups. The ultimate example here is, of course, Jesus Christ. He sacrificed Himself for the good of all humanity.

So, why don't most people go out and "run in the jungle like apes" as coadie desires to see? It's because people are not apes. They are human beings. Human beings act and behave differently than apes because we are a different species than apes.

We could also look a bit more closely at the "apes in the jungle" and we would find that their behavior is actually rather complex and despite some very brutal behavior, they will practice forms of altruism as well.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by coadie

Who are these people you mention?

Is this because you can't address biological issues?

‘Yet Gould [Stephen J. Gould—the now deceased professor of paleontology from Harvard University] and the American Museum people are hard to contradict when they say there are no transitional fossils. … You say that I should at least “show a photo of the fossil from which each type of organism was derived.” I will lay it on the line—there is not one such fossil for which one could make a watertight argument

Looks like Gould and wiki and yourself struggle to get your stories straight.
I know you are unable to take genetic samples on these "fossils" the wiki claims are transitional.
Wiki is not a science source worthy of mention.

When you speak of deceptions, are we talking Piltdown man?

You know very well who most of them are, so put down the crack pipe, click on the following link concerning what Stephen J. Gould really said, and go from there.

http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/new...reply&p=954084

Originally Posted by pelathais

coadie attempts to "represent" the views of a genuine "Ivy League" professor. Here's what that "Ivy Leaguer" had to say for himself on this issue:

"Since we proposed punctuated equilibria to explain trends, it is infuriating to be quoted again and again by creationists - whether through design or stupidity, I do not know — as admitting that the fossil record includes no transitional forms. The punctuations occur at the level of species; directional trends (on the staircase model) are rife at the higher level of transitions within major groups."

—Stephen Jay Gould, The Panda's Thumb

I'm still waiting for you to actually engage and respond to anything that I've said (again). In the mean time keep rattling on. You are shaming and embarrassing more people into examining this issue than I ever could by reasoning with them. That's how I came to the conclusions that I am sharing now. I was humiliated by having to share the platform and pulpit with a bunch of hillbillies who had never even bothered to investigate this matter for themselves. And then they make false claims about "studying" at "Ivy League schools" and such. I honestly couldn't take the shame and embarrassment any longer.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by jfrog

I'm dying to hear the faulty science in evolution.

"No one + No thing =everything" -John MacArthur on Evolution

[Jason B]

Pel, do you believe God literally created ADAM as the first human being?