Using secular songs to open service for icebreaker

[OnTheFritz]

Originally Posted by coadie

Do these modern bands bring along their fleshpots in a U-haul trailer? Israel missed the fleshpots when they left egypt.There is a lot of anxiety leaving the world behind.

The idolater do statues and worship false gods.
Reminds me of on the fritz. This is big in the heathen countries i have traveled to.

Maybe. But, probably not. Most in the band are married.



By the way, the last part of your post doesn't resemble a complete thought of any kind. Might want to touch that up.

[Aquila]

Led Zeplin's, Stairway to Heaven??? LOL

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by coadie

Those are pagan religions. Aphrodite, Narcissis, Zeuss and long lists of babylonian and other gods were popular. Of course i notice the artwork. When I travel and see the Egyptians have this intrigue with mothers and infants and see it pop up in the Romish religions. Heathen use a lot of nudity in their pagan artwork.

Gaia mated with her son Uranus and bore Titans, the Cyclops, and Hectoncheires. Worship of Gaia continued after.
At least I do my homework. Our secular humanism today is recycling a lot of pagan customs.

4Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

Coadie, I'm going to give you a lesson for posting on an internet forum, while at the same time, retaining even a single ounce of credibility. Here is Tip#1;

Know what you're talking about.

You're welcome.

Now...go to google, type in "Sistine Chapel artwork" and see what comes up. When you're finished checking out the nudity, come back to AFF and apologize.

The lesson is free.

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by OnTheFritz

Sorry, Coadie:

Oh goodness, I can't look. This causes feelings!!! Gasp!!! Get thee behind me, picture!!!

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by Arphaxad

So if i have a lust problem a bunch of half naked women will come to my house?

Awesome. That was awesome!

[Jack Shephard]

This has gotten WAY outta hand...oh man I missed it. Interesting read.

All nudity is not sexual. All alcohol won't get you drunk. There are those that can't see nudity without thinking sex. They might want to stay away from those things that would make them fall or at least be tempted. There are those that can't drink a beer without going too far. They might want to stay away from those things that would make them fall or at least be tempted.

We all have to set our limits based on our walk with God and what we find in the scripture. If someone doesn't think it is alright to use some secular music in church or otherwise I can understand it, but doesn't mean I will agree. If someone doesn't want to drink a beer or be around it I understand it, but might not agree. Just don't get all outta wack when someone doesn't agree and uses secular music. I wonder if when we stand before God at judgement day if He will judge us more for what we didn't do to reach the lost and not some much on what we have done. Just a thought

Oh, and I don't drink at all so don't point fingers.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

I've seen this before. Old news. Griping, complaining, negative, gibberish, I'm-right-you're-wrong, ugh.

Just have it your way, Jason. You're right. We Seeker types deny the cross, we just entertain, we don't care if people really change as long as we have a crowd, we're not committed nor are the people in our churches, we don't believe in or ask for sacrifice, Robert Schuller is the devil, Rick Warren is the anti-Christ, Bill Hybels only cares about a big crowd.

Personally, I thought the content in the link was thought provoking. At your direction, I've been looking around for Bill Hybels stuff tonight.


General Teachings/Activities
- Bill Hybels (born 1952) is the senior pastor (out of a total of more than 50 staff pastors) of the 12,000-plus member Willow Creek Community Church located in Northwest-suburban Chicago (South Barrington, IL). (Three branch churches have also benn established in the Chicago suburbs.) When Hybels decided to plant a church at "Willow Creek" (the name of the rented movie theater in which the church first met), rather than "set-up shop" and faithfully preach the Word of God, he instead took a three-man survey team through the community, asking those people who admitted to being unchurched, why they did not regularly attend a church. The survey revealed that people: "(1) didn't like being bugged for money; (2) found church boring, predictable, and routine; (3) didn't think that the church was relevant to their lives; and (4) always left church feeling guilty (the Christian message too negative with 'sin,' etc.)."

Hybels solution was to "program our Sunday morning service [in addition to a Saturday evening "seeker service"] to non-believers, and program our service to believers [called "New Community"] on another day or evening [Wednesday and Thursday nights]," so that the newcomers would feel welcome, unthreatened, and entertained. Hybels states that it is absolutely essential that the "unchurched Harry's and Mary's" be introduced to a "creative, introductory level, positive, Bible-centered church experience on a Sunday morning ... a place designed for [the unbeliever]. We have put a lot of time and thought into what non-churched people want from a Sunday morning service. And we have concluded that they basically want four things: (1) anonymity; (2) truth presented at an introductory level; (3) time to 'make a decision'; and (4) excellence in programming, creativity, humor, contemporary [worship], relevancy, etc." (Source: Hybels' 1990 message: "Who We Are at Willow Creek.")
http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/...ls/general.htm

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

I saw this too. Mainly they were convicted by Sis. or Bro. So and So that talked them into being convicted. Just my experience.

Not from my experience.