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Old 08-21-2010, 07:07 PM
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Re: Speaking In Tongues Does Not Equal Salvation.

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DAII, Diggin, and Sam:

Just please answer this question:

What does Oneness Pentecostalism have to offer Christendom in terms of doctrine or experience, in your view, that is of any value--other than a more enlightened view of the Godhead, and a more biblical formula for baptism?

(I did not say that your view held any of these as salvational--I am simply under the impression that you do believe in the Oneness of God and that the name of Jesus is the proper name to be used in baptism.)

Please explain.
In my opinion, oneness pentecostalism, is just a small part of the Body of Christ.
We differ from other groups within Christianity in a couple different ways depending on the oneness organization, local oneness church, or individual preacher.

The largest and most visible group within oneness pentecostalism is the UPC. The UPC is made up of many different ministers and churches. Within the organization you have many fine Christians who genuinely care for people and you have some real abusers and controllers and some real charlatans. I would not say the UPC as an organization is a cult but it has several cultic characteristics and some of the local churches are just cults.

As far as the ministers and people within oneness pentecost we run the gamut of cultists who preach a narrow message incorporating certain doctrines, practices, and rules all the way to others who are more open and accepting of those who do not agree with them on every matter and who accept others as saved and going to heaven even if they are not part of us.

I believe that water baptism should only be for a person who is already saved; that it should be by immersion if practically possible; and the name of Jesus should be a part of it. I believe that the condition of the heart of the person being baptized is far more important than the amount of water and the words spoken during the ritual.

As far as "the godhead" I believe there is one God whom we know as Father, Son, and Holy Ghost and His highest name is Jesus. Beyond that I think it is silly to think that we humans can fully contain, understand, and explain God in a neat theological package.

So, in my opinion, there is really no reason for "oneness pentecost" to be an exclusive group separated from other Christians. I am ordained in a small apostolic pentecostal group which is one of the several divisions of The Church of Jesus Christ which was chartered in 1927. I maintain my license with them because they provide me legal status as a minister in the state of Ohio and I like the name. I'm also ordained (just recently) in my local church which is trinitarian.
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Old 08-21-2010, 07:17 PM
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Re: Speaking In Tongues Does Not Equal Salvation.

so you are kinda both right oneness and trinity,
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Old 08-21-2010, 08:49 PM
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so you are kinda both right oneness and trinity,
I don't like either label --oneness or trinity.
I think they can be divisive and neither term is in our King James Bible.

How do I understand the "godhead"? Well, I don't claim to understand it, but
I believe that God is an eternal, invisible spirit who fills all time and space, that He personally visited planet earth in the person of His Son whom He offered as a sacrifice for our sins, and that He is active today within, upon, and among humanity as the Holy Spirit or Spirit of Christ or Jesus in my heart. I believe that He is Father, Son, and Holy Ghost and that His highest name is Jesus.
I don't care if you call that oneness, Jesus Only, triunity or trinity because I don't try to label it.
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Old 08-21-2010, 08:57 PM
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Re: Speaking In Tongues Does Not Equal Salvation.

thanks for your reply
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Re: Speaking In Tongues Does Not Equal Salvation.

How can we tell others about places we have not been!
How can we relate to experiences we have not had.

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Old 08-21-2010, 09:13 PM
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amen falla exactly
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How can we tell others about places we have not been!
How can we relate to experiences we have not had.

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Does the same apply to heaven and hell?
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Old 08-21-2010, 10:39 PM
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DAII, Diggin, and Sam:

Just please answer this question:

What does Oneness Pentecostalism have to offer Christendom in terms of doctrine or experience, in your view, that is of any value--other than a more enlightened view of the Godhead, and a more biblical formula for baptism?

(I did not say that your view held any of these as salvational--I am simply under the impression that you do believe in the Oneness of God and that the name of Jesus is the proper name to be used in baptism.)

Please explain.
I had not seen this post until I noticed Sam's reply. I don't have time to answer right now but I am quoting it here to keep it closer to the end of the thread with hopes I won't forget to address this.

Thanks for the question...
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Re: Speaking In Tongues Does Not Equal Salvation.

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My how you twist the scripture.
You can sit there and type those words after saying the people whom Peter said crucified the Lord in Acts 2 never crucified the Lord?

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Paul never said that tongues was for all anymore than he said prophesy was for all. The verse you reference is 1 Corinthians 14:5 where the context clearly reveals that he is speaking of the spiritual gift of tongues compared to the spiritual gift of prophecy. Both are gifts of the Spirit and are explicitly stated as not being for all. In fact, I've covered this single point with you more times than I can count and you still go back to it. What gives blume?

The fact is that Paul wished for all to speak with the gift of tongues even though all do not. The fact is that Paul wished for all to prophesy even though all do not.
Paul did not hope for pipedreams that could not be fulfilled.
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Paul did not hope for pipedreams that could not be fulfilled.
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