The Mosque Should Be Built!

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Pel and Prax, I dedicate this to you!

http://www.breitbart.tv/klavan-on-th...es-islam-suck/

I was initially put off by the title a bit. Watching the video however I see that Klavan leaves the question open and doesn't really attack Muslims, though he does criticize the regimes that most of the world's Muslims are forced to endure.

Thank you for sharing.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Liberal

Quotation Marks. Oops

Ok, so HIS FATHER was a questionable character. Have you ever been connected to a questionable character? I have. Wanna hear my dad's track record? Not pretty. I don't like being judged by those I've been associated with.

Whether or not Swaggart or Copeland or whoever have been bombed or bombed anyone or whatever, that's not the point. The point is, they are connected to you through their supposed faith in Christ, yet you don't want to be judged by their histories, do you? But if you want to bring the track record of death into the picture, Christianity does have a history of that, doesn't it? The Crusades immediately come to mind.

I don't understand your Martin Luther King, Jr. reasoning. Nor do I understand your reasoning about bigotry. Well actually, the remainder of your post makes no sense to me.

Bigotry is really a simple thing. It is the dislike and/or mistreatment of a group simply because they are a certain classification, such as a certain religion group, a gender, or a culture. It is NOT ok to exclude Muslims from the American mainstream just because they are Muslim. Are there "bad muslims"? Yes. Are there "Bad African-Americans"? Certainly. Is it ok to believe in the depravity or either group simply because they are Muslim or black? Of course not.

I'll stand by what I've said. If one is biased against one due to one's religious beliefs, one is bigoted.

It appears you have had a success pattern of manipulating people by accusing people as bigots. You are passionately telling us you are judgemental and intolerant. We face this judgementalism a lot.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Pel and Prax, I dedicate this to you!

http://www.breitbart.tv/klavan-on-th...es-islam-suck/

wow

[Fiyahstarter]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I'm not asking you to get personal about your "connections," but would you say that you have at least "disassociated" yourself from the questionable activities of others if not come right out and denounced them?

Imam Faud refuses to do so.



You asked how I would like it if someone turned down a zoning or special use permit of mine because I am "of the same faith as Copeland, etc." I said that this would be a whole lot different than turning down the Park51 mosque proposal because of the close associations to terror groups and Faud's refusal to denounce those and other terror groups.

It's apples and oranges.



You don't understand Osama bin Laden as being a sort of "bully?" You don't see militant Islam as being a bullying tactic used to spread that faith? You don't see the history and legacy Islam has had as it spreads across the globe? You don't see a problem with burning down Christian churches in Malaysia or bull dozing thousand year old Buddhist temples because they never got a "building permit?"

Instead, those Christians and Buddhists who speak out against these crimes are your "bullies" and "bigots?"

Niiiiiice Pel.

Waiting for a response on this one.

Something is backwards.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Liberal

...But if you want to bring the track record of death into the picture, Christianity does have a history of that, doesn't it? The Crusades immediately come to mind.
...

What "about the Crusades" came to your mind? Was it the "Sack of Jerusalem?" Horrible.

However, hardly no one considers the sites the Crusaders passed along the way to Jerusalem such as when they finally caught up with Peter the Hermit's "army" of unarmed pilgrims at the Cilician Gates near the birth place of St. Paul.



Gustave Doré- "Crusaders discover dead pilgrims of Peter the Hermit."

Visit this region today and you won't find a single living Jewish or Christian inhabitant. You will find the bones of murdered Jews, Greeks, Armenians, Circassians and others who were slaughtered in the genocide known as "Islamisation."

How do you think the Crusaders felt when they found the unarmed pilgrims they were supposed to have been protecting but were separated from by a logistical nightmare? This doesn't justify the "sack" of Jerusalem, but it does provide some of the historical background most people will never hear about.

The Crusaders fought to "RECONQUER" lands that had been lost to Muslim armies. That's something that gets left out a lot as well. No "Crusader" army ever set foot on a single piece of real estate that hadn't at one time been a Christian state. Ever.

Can you say the same about the Muslims conquests?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

I suspect you have not read the Quran. If you had then you would read about Abraham, Moses, Noah, Lot, Jesus, and others - the same prophets venerated in your book are venerated in the Quran. There is a whole Surah about Jesus' mother alone.

So, after you read it, come back and speak of miracles or not......

I am the LAST guy to stick up for coadie, but doesn't that same Surah say that "Miriam" (a Semitic form of the name "Mary") who was the "mother of Jesus" was also the "sister of Moses?"

There appears to be a conflation of two different characters here. Two characters who must have lived more than 1,000 years apart. I am not certain if I ever really understood what the Quran was saying here.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I was initially put off by the title a bit. Watching the video however I see that Klavan leaves the question open and doesn't really attack Muslims, though he does criticize the regimes that most of the world's Muslims are forced to endure.

Thank you for sharing.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

wow

That's just Andrew Klavan's way of delving into a topic. A little Dennis Millerish. LOL! When I am very frustrated, agitated, etc., this sort of humor appeals to me. Can't help it.

I think that Newt Gingrich has done the right thing and has reset our focus on the national security debate. I would love for a leader to emerge that would stay the course with this line of thinking and action.

Islam regards lies, violence and threats of violence as legitimate means of gaining political ends. The only capacity Islam respects in an "unbeliever" is the capacity to use diplomacy or military force successfully against it. Their ability to reform is due to our appeasement and we need to change that. Appeasing the Islamic militants in America is only making it harder for the more tolerant Muslims to emerge. We cannot continue to encourage their victimhood. All that does is feed the mind of the suicide bomber. Our political correctness movement has done nothing but produce a climate where it is easy for the Muslims to lie about the true nature of Islam and get away with it. I'm tired of it. I want it to stop!

You might be interested in these clips. Part one and Two. They both speak about how American Intel knows what is going on and if you study the things that Johnson, Ford, Kissinger, Carter and Clinton did - appeasement with the Muslims at the expense of slaughtered Christians, it's astounding. Everyone of them allowed the slaughter of Christians. So, actually, Imam Rauf is almost correct that we do have blood on our hands. Not in the killing, but not trying to stop it. We used militant Islam as a tool of policy not realizing the blowback.

http://shoebat.com/videos/pjtv1.php

http://shoebat.com/videos/pjtv2.php

That's my rant for the night! LOL!

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Who is refusing to stand for the things of God?
...
So is waving the Stars and Bars. Many more attrocities were committed and many more people died under that flag. When I see it, it reminds me of racial hatred and violence. It doesn't affect my every day life, but if there was a flag to be burned, it would be that thing!

That same thing that so many seem to take pride in and have an affection for is the thing I find so distasteful about the South and those who wish to justify away the ugliness associated with that thing.

"...the Stars and Bars [the Confederate Battle Flag]. Many more attrocities were committed and many more people died under that flag."

Ah, JD? How about some perspective?

The U.S. Civil War was a very bloody engagement, however, "just" approximately 275,000 Union soldiers were killed by their Southern brothers. Compare that to the "pyramids" of 700,000 victims that Tamerlane erected after just a single engagement in India. Tamerlane quoted the Koran as justification for his bloody legacy in his autobiography. I can assure you, far, far, far more people died under the banners of Islam and Islamic expansion than have died "under the stars and bars."

I can't speak to coadie's claim about "flags" in mosques. Every mosque I've ever visited had no flags of any nation visible, just tapestries of Quranic verses. Maybe coadie confused one of these with the Saudi flag? Dunno.

The "stars and bars" evolved from several different variations of the "stars and stripes." No one seems to have ever used this design or anything like it before about 1861.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_o...he_Battle_Flag

In the category of "historical irony," this same site displays a couple of rather "Muslim looking" flags that were also used by the South in the Civil War era.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I missed that post... sorry N4S. But dude, please.

Yes, I did look into it. Yes I did examine the "evidence" from sources like Alex Jones' site and others.

No, I don't buy any of it. It's not just kooky, it's actually a repugnant and reprehensible charge and allegation. Anyone who brought down those towers and planes must be hunted down and removed from the earth. Plain and simple.

You think GWB and/or "the government" did it? Then why are you at home sitting on your hands? Go after the perps.

**** And I only say that because your inaction over the past 9 years speaks much louder about what you really believe then your suggestion of these conspiracy theories. Personally, I believe we "went after the REAL perps" beginning on October 7, 2001.

Do you feel that there have been "False Flag" operations in the past? My father was in the Navy and he remembers well the sinking of the USS Liberty. What about the Gulf of Tonkin?

Also, I'm surprised you give no scientific proof to validate your stance. Have you watched, "Press for Truth"? This film is well done, and is full of facts and live footage of these women questioning Condolezza Rice, and other officials on the 911 Commission. You gave very good facts regarding the Ark of Noah, stating it was impossible for the vessel to even float, yet you pass this buy with a very brief ridicule.

Many don't know that we funded and supported Osama Bin Laden during the Afghan War against the Soviet Union. There are many unanswered questions from 911, and engineers and qualified scientists prove foul play.

Why did building 7 fall to the ground in less than 10 seconds into a pile of dust?

Do something so impossible and unbelievable so that people would never believe you just did the impossible and unbelievable.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by Sam

uh, oh, get out those tinfoil hats and pass them around

Great comeback, Sam. That hat would look quite nice on you...