Isaiah 3 and jewelry... - Page 86

rdp · #**851** 08-31-2010, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TGBTG

Based on this response, you are not sure yourself. Although you claim to see the plainness of 1 Tim 2:12, you still are not sure?

Again, you attack based off of your presuppositons. I am ABSOLUTELY sure that God frowns on ornamental Jewelry being worn on His people...make no mistake about it. In fact, if you reread, I questioned the standing of those who would try to make the Word of no effect. Not sure how you arrive at such a spurious conclusion based upon 85 pages of polemics!?

"There is a sin unto death, and a sin NOT unto death....." [I Jn.]. I stated that I have a fallen nature & thus am not presently qulified to judge eternity. Comparing those who reject Jesus as a whole w/ those who see a Scripture differently [don't ask me how?] is an equivocation fallacy on your part.

But, YES, I question their salvation...good 'nuff?

Are you sure about John 14:6? Would you tell a muslim the "safest route" is the bible or would you tell the muslim he is going to hell unless he turns to Jesus Christ for salvation?

I'm not trying to be rash with my questions. I'm just trying to point out that we should be sure of what we believe if we are going to tell others they are wrong in their belief. If we are not sure of what we believe, the we should NOT tell others they are wrong.

For instance, I know beyond every shadow of doubt that anyone that rejects the gospel of Jesus Christ is absolutely lost. Therefore I can evangelize with 100% assurance to anyone I meet. However, if I'm not sure of salvation in Jesus alone, then I cannot tell a muslim in clear conscience that he is going to hell.

Okay then, what about your own disobediences...which we all have at times? Are you going to hell for your violations? What I will say is that I hope they do not die in their rebellion to God's Word.

My point being, if we are not sure, then do not preach it. How can we preach what we are not sure about?

I AM sure of what the Bible says....not sure if God will condemn them to hell forever for their disobedience. Though they are certainly skating on thin ice by rejecting His Written Word.

Truthseeker · #**852** 08-31-2010, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TGBTG

I never said wearing jewelry is a sin. rdp implied from his (or her) posts that wearing jewelry is a sin, but then he admitted that he was not even sure about jewelry usage being a sin. So my point is/was how can you say jewelry usage is displeasing to God if you are not even sure about it yourself?

As per pleasing God:
is 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags...

Why would we even try to please God with our works as if that would make us get into heaven? Muslims are also trying to please God with their rituals, but it ain't gonna get them into heaven.

The only way to please God:
Acts 20:21 Paul was testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Luke 7:50 And he (Jesus) said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.

I was saying "IF' it is a sin then it would be pleasing to God to not wear it. I wasn't saying you thought it was sin. Anyhow, I don't get where some get we can't do anything to please God.

1 John 3:22

22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
KJV

rdp · #**853** 08-31-2010, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TGBTG

I never said wearing jewelry is a sin. rdp implied from his (or her) posts that wearing jewelry is a sin, but then he admitted that he was not even sure about jewelry usage being a sin. So my point is/was how can you say jewelry usage is displeasing to God if you are not even sure about it yourself?

As per pleasing God:
is 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags...

Why would we even try to please God with our works as if that would make us get into heaven? Muslims are also trying to please God with their rituals, but it ain't gonna get them into heaven.

The only way to please God:
Acts 20:21 Paul was testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Luke 7:50 And he (Jesus) said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.

"He has become the author of eternal salvation to those that O-B-E-Y Him." [He. 5]. You're as wrong as you can possibly be that our actions do not please God.

And, I will say again, YES, I believe that "saints" who wear jewelry are in rebellion against God's Word. What He's gonna' do about that is His business. What in the world can you not understand about this?

TGBTG · #**854** 08-31-2010, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker

I was saying "IF' it is a sin then it would be pleasing to God to not wear it. I wasn't saying you thought it was sin. Anyhow, I don't get where some get we can't do anything to please God.

I meant trying to please God with respect to salvation is not possible.
ref: Isaiah 64:6

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker

1 John 3:22

22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
KJV

Our actions should be pleasing to God, no doubt about that. We please God by Faith in Him, but Faith without works is dead, so our works definitely prove our faith.

TGBTG · #**855** 08-31-2010, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by rdp

"He has become the author of eternal salvation to those that O-B-E-Y Him."

The problem is those that use jewelry read the very same scriptures you cite (1 Tim 2:12 and 1 Peter 3:3) and come up with something different than you. To them, they are obeying God. To you, they are in rebellion.

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Originally Posted by rdp

[He. 5]. You're as wrong as you can possibly be that our actions do not please God.

Our actions should be pleasing to God, no doubt about that. We please God by Faith in Him, but Faith without works is dead, so our works definitely prove our faith.

Truthseeker · #**856** 08-31-2010, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by rdp

"He has become the author of eternal salvation to those that O-B-E-Y Him." [He. 5]. You're as wrong as you can possibly be that our actions do not please God.

Haven't heard many from the faith alone crowd address that scripture?

onefaith2 · #**857** 08-31-2010, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TGBTG

I meant trying to please God with respect to salvation is not possible.
ref: Isaiah 64:6

Our actions should be pleasing to God, no doubt about that. We please God by Faith in Him, but Faith without works is dead, so our works definitely prove our faith.

Actually yes we can. Work our your own salvation with fear and trembling. Initial salvation by faith, repentance, baptism, etc. is initiated by the Spirit of God but we must respond, which pleases HIm and angels rejoice in heaven.

Our continued response to the Spirit of God will determine IF salvation is completed in us until the return of Jesus.

onefaith2 · #**858** 08-31-2010, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Haven't heard many from the faith alone crowd address that scripture?

The faith alone crowd have said to me that all that is commanded is to believe

rdp · #**859** 08-31-2010, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Haven't heard many from the faith alone crowd address that scripture?

Exactly...they usually have to go to great lenghts to make it fit their "reformed" theology.

rdp · #**860** 08-31-2010, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by onefaith2

The faith alone crowd have said to me that all that is commanded is to believe

Which would negate repentance...which the Bible calls "works" [Acts 20:16...I think that's the verse?].

At this point the "reformed" camp usually responds by saying: "Yes, but repentance is granted us by God." Well, so is water baptism in Jesus' Name, but, as w/ repentance, we can either reject or obey these biblical commands.