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09-04-2010, 08:52 AM
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The Wizard Behind the Curtain
I remember being in the world before the UPC. I felt the injustice of many things and saw the structure of the world and how it favored some over others and gave perks to some over others that didn't deserve it, that perhaps slimed their way up, or, often were simply born into their silver spoon status.
I was raised poor, with an alcoholic father who had been the illegitimate son of a 16 year old raped girl. My Dad was later adopted by a divorced man who married my grandmother. They had four more children. They worked a farm and all slept in the upstairs of a house that grew huge icicles on the inside in the winter and dripped on them in the spring. They divorced after my Dad moved out because my grandfather was having an affair and threw my aunt on the floor when she confronted him about it.
My mother grew up materially poor in a family of 14 children. They ate molasses sandwiches and slept many to a bed, covered with coats and blankets for warmth. My mother gave her cousin an empty spool of thread for her birthday. My grandfather was a commerical seasonal fisherman. My grandmother used to cry in the outhouse because she had so many children and did not want anymore, but the Catholic church did not believe in birth control and my grandfather always said "God will provide".
Compared to my parents, I grew up well off, in a house with wood heat that didn't drip on me. We had a real toilet that flushed. I got two new outfits for school every year and if we were lucky, on our back to school trip, we were allowed a cheesburger at McDonalds. (No happy meals as they were too expensive.) We ate venison and fish and garden produce.
My mother used to sing in bars when I was young and us kids often went. I talked to many a drunk on a barstool. My brother and I would stick our arms up into the pool table and pull the balls out because we didn't have any quarters to play pool. My Mom and Dad would fight as my Mom would want to go home after a while and my Dad would want to stay. My Dad used to give me peppermint schnapps on the rocks when I was young. I got drunk first at age 12 and continued the pattern until I was 19.
I saw much injustice in the world. I saw how people who were born into perfect (to me) families had it knocked. I saw how they knew the rules and they knew how to use them to their advantage. I saw how they got all the perks at school and how they were popular and how they got good grades, nice clothes, cars, money and perks.
I did some of that stuff. But I had to work very hard for whatever I got, because it was never handed on a silver platter. I had to learn the rules for myself and earn my keep.
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Those who say it cannot be done should not interrupt the people doing it. ~Chinese Proverb
When I was young and clever, I wanted to change the world. Now that I am older and wiser, I strive to change myself. ~
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09-04-2010, 08:55 AM
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Re: What it is
More to come...
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Those who say it cannot be done should not interrupt the people doing it. ~Chinese Proverb
When I was young and clever, I wanted to change the world. Now that I am older and wiser, I strive to change myself. ~
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09-04-2010, 09:24 AM
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Re: What it is
The injustice I felt went deep. I had a young bitterness about the world and how it was run. I resented the people who looked down on the less fortunate as somehow lesser people.
When I was 19, I got into the church. The experience with God was wonderful and marvelous. It was like nothing I ever felt. "Come with us" , the people said "We have a different system, a different way of life where we care about people. God is no respector of persons. He loves all people. We also believe we should not be respectors of persons".
I loved this message. A God who loved all men equally and did not put one above the other. A system that was like God. I was in heaven.
Many, many promises were made to me through preaching and teaching about God and his church and how things were so mush better, so much different here. My family was concerned about me. They felt I was falling for a line. Some of them called me brainwashed. I blew them all off. What did they know? They did not have the experience I had and I knew how they lived. I had a new life and I was whole hog, hook, line and sinker.
I began to see little things that bothered me, but the message was too good. The experience was too good. The promises were too good. We forged ahead my husband and I, convinced our calling was to take this message to the world. We worked very, very hard, starting a church, advertising, passing out tracts, teaching bible studies, paying for it all and getting no respect and very little help.
Meanwhile, we saw pastors sons given pastorates and silver spoons placed in their mouths. We decided they didn't know what we knew and we knew our message was too important to not pass it on. People are worthwhile no matter who they are and God loves them all. We forged ahead while pastors canvassed in our area and took people from us with promises of big choirs and lots of people. We forged ahead while we were warned not to steal any people from anyone. We forged ahead while we were told to contribute to every program so they could know we were cooperating with them. We forged ahead while they missed sending us Home Missions checks and refused to let us sell baked goods in their churches at Home Missions rallies. We forged ahead while I went to ladies retreats alone, believing the message. We forged ahead and paid the bills mostly alone.
We forged ahead while they told us our families were going to hell and while they made excuses for their own. We forged ahead while we believed the messages and they watered it down.
Finally, we believed we needed to move to a larger church because we were burned out. When we moved to the larger church, we found there were no income records and money spent on the previous pastors personal things. When we took this to the church, many did not believe us. Still, we forged ahead, believing the message. The district board shoved it all under the rug. Still we forged ahead, believing the message. But, the veil was being lifted.
In time, after a shocking personal revelation.....I stopped believing the message. It was about standards at first. I could not believe I had been lied to and duped for 16 years. Pants were not men's apparel. The Bible didn't say women couldn't cut their hair, etc.
But the core message to me stayed the same. God loves all people the same. Injustice should be fought against. We continued to fight, believing this message.
But, when I said standards were not biblical and mentioned all the injustices, I was told we are all human and that this is a human problem, not a UPC one. What? After all the promises I was made about us being the church? What? After all the times I was told that God is no respector of persons? What? After believing standards lies for years, I now find out I believed another one? That the church is just as guilty as everyone else regarding these things?
And indeed, I found out that the church is just as guilty. For as much as it postures itself as being God's people and as much as it says it is better than others and has "the truth", that it is a better way to live, that it is the right way, the only way, the only way not to burn in hell, I find out that it isn't true.
Yes, the problems are human problems. The veil has been lifted. The Wizard of Oz is actually behind the curtain just making things look powerful, incredible and amazing, when the God that they claim exclusive rights to, is actually everywhere and a real promoter of justice and truly, no respector of persons. He is the One I have been serving all along.
I don't go to church anymore. Not often anyway. I keep seeing Wizards behind curtains. I don't know if that will ever change. But, the God I believe in, the God that saved me, I believe that He still believes in justice, in love, in not being a respector of persons and that someday, He will make all this right. He is the God I love and the One I follow. I believe He is not a Wizard behind a curtain.
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Those who say it cannot be done should not interrupt the people doing it. ~Chinese Proverb
When I was young and clever, I wanted to change the world. Now that I am older and wiser, I strive to change myself. ~
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09-04-2010, 09:25 AM
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Re: What it is
Thank you!
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Those who say it cannot be done should not interrupt the people doing it. ~Chinese Proverb
When I was young and clever, I wanted to change the world. Now that I am older and wiser, I strive to change myself. ~
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09-04-2010, 12:27 PM
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Re: What it is
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Originally Posted by ILG
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Thank you for writing.
Those that take the time to read may say you're bitter, painting with a broad brush....the cliches are always the same. But your words are loudly heard.
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09-04-2010, 12:42 PM
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Re: The Wizard Behind the Curtain
I struggle with the wizards behind the curtains too. It's difficult to separate God from the Christianity that's all over the place...the Christianity I refuse to have anything to do with.
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09-04-2010, 01:17 PM
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Re: The Wizard Behind the Curtain
Very interesting, I don't have much faith in the Machine , I do believe it is broken , and in need of repair..... But still there is hope God is different , He is not a man and can't lie. We have to please him,and Him alone .I am trying to learn that and how to do that. { according to what He teaches me in his word } Not based on religion, or tradition.The hard part is being looked at as sinners by those who say they are Christian [ apostolic ] because we don't fit in.
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09-04-2010, 01:35 PM
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Re: What it is
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The injustice I felt went deep. I had a young bitterness about the world and how it was run. I resented the people who looked down on the less fortunate as somehow lesser people.
When I was 19, I got into the church. The experience with God was wonderful and marvelous. It was like nothing I ever felt. "Come with us" , the people said "We have a different system, a different way of life where we care about people. God is no respector of persons. He loves all people. We also believe we should not be respectors of persons".
I loved this message. A God who loved all men equally and did not put one above the other. A system that was like God. I was in heaven.
Many, many promises were made to me through preaching and teaching about God and his church and how things were so mush better, so much different here. My family was concerned about me. They felt I was falling for a line. Some of them called me brainwashed. I blew them all off. What did they know? They did not have the experience I had and I knew how they lived. I had a new life and I was whole hog, hook, line and sinker.
I began to see little things that bothered me, but the message was too good. The experience was too good. The promises were too good. We forged ahead my husband and I, convinced our calling was to take this message to the world. We worked very, very hard, starting a church, advertising, passing out tracts, teaching bible studies, paying for it all and getting no respect and very little help.
Meanwhile, we saw pastors sons given pastorates and silver spoons placed in their mouths. We decided they didn't know what we knew and we knew our message was too important to not pass it on. People are worthwhile no matter who they are and God loves them all. We forged ahead while pastors canvassed in our area and took people from us with promises of big choirs and lots of people. We forged ahead while we were warned not to steal any people from anyone. We forged ahead while we were told to contribute to every program so they could know we were cooperating with them. We forged ahead while they missed sending us Home Missions checks and refused to let us sell baked goods in their churches at Home Missions rallies. We forged ahead while I went to ladies retreats alone, believing the message. We forged ahead and paid the bills mostly alone.
We forged ahead while they told us our families were going to hell and while they made excuses for their own. We forged ahead while we believed the messages and they watered it down.
Finally, we believed we needed to move to a larger church because we were burned out. When we moved to the larger church, we found there were no income records and money spent on the previous pastors personal things. When we took this to the church, many did not believe us. Still, we forged ahead, believing the message. The district board shoved it all under the rug. Still we forged ahead, believing the message. But, the veil was being lifted.
In time, after a shocking personal revelation.....I stopped believing the message. It was about standards at first. I could not believe I had been lied to and duped for 16 years. Pants were not men's apparel. The Bible didn't say women couldn't cut their hair, etc.
But the core message to me stayed the same. God loves all people the same. Injustice should be fought against. We continued to fight, believing this message.
But, when I said standards were not biblical and mentioned all the injustices, I was told we are all human and that this is a human problem, not a UPC one. What? After all the promises I was made about us being the church? What? After all the times I was told that God is no respector of persons? What? After believing standards lies for years, I now find out I believed another one? That the church is just as guilty as everyone else regarding these things?
And indeed, I found out that the church is just as guilty. For as much as it postures itself as being God's people and as much as it says it is better than others and has "the truth", that it is a better way to live, that it is the right way, the only way, the only way not to burn in hell, I find out that it isn't true.
Yes, the problems are human problems. The veil has been lifted. The Wizard of Oz is actually behind the curtain just making things look powerful, incredible and amazing, when the God that they claim exclusive rights to, is actually everywhere and a real promoter of justice and truly, no respector of persons. He is the One I have been serving all along.
I don't go to church anymore. Not often anyway. I keep seeing Wizards behind curtains. I don't know if that will ever change. But, the God I believe in, the God that saved me, I believe that He still believes in justice, in love, in not being a respector of persons and that someday, He will make all this right. He is the God I love and the One I follow. I believe He is not a Wizard behind a curtain.
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ILG, I was feeling an overwhelming helplessness while reading this, 'til I got to the last paragraph. He's not a respector of person, dear....and He WILL make it all right! I believe you really desire that.
I'd like to offer a suggestion. Get off the computer, get alone and pray, and ask God to direct you to a church in your area. He never fails!
I've read your posts for several years now, and my heart has always gone out to you. I pray for you...
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09-04-2010, 01:53 PM
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Re: What it is
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I'd like to offer a suggestion. Get off the computer, get alone and pray, and ask God to direct you to a church in your area. He never fails!
I've read your posts for several years now, and my heart has always gone out to you. I pray for you...
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But if God "leads" ILG to a "trinity" church, some of us would really think that was wrong.
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09-04-2010, 02:30 PM
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Re: The Wizard Behind the Curtain
Good words ILG. Do you think there is a role for churches in the salvation of the lost or have you given up on churches altogether?
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