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Old 09-13-2010, 06:03 PM
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Re: Trinity and Oneness in The Church?

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I will hint at 3 answers. David was under the law and the sacrifice of animals by the priest pushed the sins to the cross for another year.
Jesus commented at the Crosss on fulfilling the actual covering for sins of saints in the past.
Just read the Psalms and David repents. cleanse me of my iniquity....
The old covenant ended at calvary.
David died without ever hearing of the Christ. You asked for a name and I gave it to you.
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Old 09-13-2010, 06:05 PM
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Re: Trinity and Oneness in The Church?

Salvation has nothing to do with trinity or oneness.
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Old 09-13-2010, 06:35 PM
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Salvation has nothing to do with trinity or oneness.
Who said it did???

John 1
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2The same was in the beginning with God.

3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

6There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.

7The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

8He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.

9That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

10He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

11He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.


You need a home bible study.

Hebrews 1
1God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

3Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

4Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

The son was manifest to us after the birth of Jesus. God spoke to David thru men of God.
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Old 09-13-2010, 07:03 PM
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Unless People accept Christ as their saviour they are not part of the body of Christ. I would challenge you to provide a biblical basis for your statement I have bolded. I can provide you with plenty supporting my view.

So the age-old question....

What about the mom in the remote part of the earth who raised her children with great care and supported her family with every ounce of strength she ever had. She went to her grave having never heard the name of Christ.

So the question is, will she burn in the flames of hell forever?
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Old 09-13-2010, 07:23 PM
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So the age-old question....

What about the mom in the remote part of the earth who raised her children with great care and supported her family with every ounce of strength she ever had. She went to her grave having never heard the name of Christ.

So the question is, will she burn in the flames of hell forever?
That is we we are soul winners. When we teach and prepare missionaries, you have your rock music and time that you spend castigating the UPCI.
Sitting in seeker friendly churches.. 2 prints on the pew.
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That is we we are soul winners. When we teach and prepare missionaries, you have your rock music and time that you spend castigating the UPCI.
Sitting in seeker friendly churches.. 2 prints on the pew.

Well, obviously you're not getting the job done because the mom is still dying without hearing of Christ. So can someone besides this nimrod, who can actually put together a reasonable thought, express an opinion?
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Old 09-13-2010, 07:42 PM
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The Christ was only revealed 2000 years ago and then to only a very very small population of the earth. Prior to that there is no mention of the Christ to the billions who lived during those pre-Christ Old Testament epochs nor a single verse of scripture of anyone calling upon the Christ as savior during those epochs.

While most Christians are Israel-centric, one should realize the population of the world was much larger than the relatively small portion of the middle east. There were billions of individuals prior to, and subsequent to, the introduction of the Christ 2000 years ago who lived and died never hearing anything of the theology of the Old and New Testaments which included those who did not live in the geographical area of the bible.

Those billions of individuals who lived never hearing of the Christ aren't just cast away to God's torture chamber. The redemption provided by the Christ is much more than redeeming a relatively few people who have the advantage of being born into some semblance of Christianity.

Romans 1 deals with ALL of these arguments.
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Romans 1 deals with ALL of these arguments.

Arguments? Who's arguing? Can you explain how Romans 1 deals with this?
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Old 09-13-2010, 08:05 PM
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Arguments? Who's arguing? Can you explain how Romans 1 deals with this?
Romans 1 deals with God's personal revelation to all people through creation, it also talks about the Gentiles knowing God, but decidely rejecting Him and slipping further and further into idolatry. However even in a pagan soceity one can discern God by cration and conscience if they are truly searching for Him. Furthermore God knows the hearts of all, and he is able to reveal himself to the heathen, as in the case of Abraham. (Of course the Arbraham argument is not directly mentioned in Romans 1, but it is an example of God revealing himself to a pagan).

Anyway Romans 2 continues on the thought of Romans 1 and talks about the Gentiles [pagans] being a law unto themselves, and thus being judged accordingly.

I do believe that whatever judgment God gives will be just in all cases. I'll let Him judge according to his perfect knowledge, and I will continue to uphold the revelation that Jesus Christ is the Savior of the world, and there is no salvation in any other.
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So the age-old question....

What about the mom in the remote part of the earth who raised her children with great care and supported her family with every ounce of strength she ever had. She went to her grave having never heard the name of Christ.

So the question is, will she burn in the flames of hell forever?
"Yes they deserve to die and I hope they burn in hell" Wait that was the Samuel L Jackson coming out in me. Sorry.

Actually I think that it is a good thing God is the judge and not me. I would say yes the lady would be in Heaven, but I am glad that God get that choice because I don't want that on my conscience.
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