Has Hell Disappeared?

[missourimary]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

What do you think happens to one if they don't accept Jesus?

Well, certainly they will immediately die in a terrible accident, details included, and burn in a lake of fire forever. Because God loves us.

Right?

I have a trigger too, about telling people they will burn in hell if they don't do certain things. It isn't telling them that they SHOULD do those things, but threatening them with what will happen if they don't, that makes me mad.

See post 110 if you don't understand. Bottom of page 11.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by missourimary

Well, certainly they will immediately die in a terrible accident, details included, and burn in a lake of fire forever. Because God loves us.

Right?

I have a trigger too, about telling people they will burn in hell if they don't do certain things. It isn't telling them that they SHOULD do those things, but threatening them with what will happen if they don't, that makes me mad.

So what happens when on without Christ dies?

[missourimary]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

So what happens when on without Christ dies?

They're dead.



You seem to be deliberately overlooking the point. Do you tell your kids they shouldn't steal a candy bar because they'll go to jail and only get gruel served to them once a day, rot for years, go to death row and be fried in an electric chair (gory details included) or do you tell your kids they shouldn't steal because stealing is wrong?


I don't believe in the literal hell that I've heard described (see post 110). I'm also not UR. Hell is a place of barrenness, separation from God, and death, perhaps, but neither hell nor God are accurately described in post 110's sermon recollection.

'Oh, sure,' some will say. 'Then what about the rich man and Lazarus?' Even if the story of the rich man and Lazarus is taken literally, if the rich man was in the kind of hell I've heard preached he wouldn't be able to have asked for a drop of water, or even seen Lazarus sitting in Abraham's bosom.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by missourimary

They're dead.



You seem to be deliberately overlooking the point. Do you tell your kids they shouldn't steal a candy bar because they'll go to jail and only get gruel served to them once a day, rot for years, go to death row and be fried in an electric chair (gory details included) or do you tell your kids they shouldn't steal because stealing is wrong?


I don't believe in the literal hell that I've heard described (see post 110). I'm also not UR. Hell is a place of barrenness, separation from God, and death, perhaps, but neither hell nor God are accurately described in post 110's sermon recollection.

'Oh, sure,' some will say. 'Then what about the rich man and Lazarus?' Even if the story of the rich man and Lazarus is taken literally, if the rich man was in the kind of hell I've heard preached he wouldn't be able to have asked for a drop of water, or even seen Lazarus sitting in Abraham's bosom.

So the sinner suffers the same fate as my two dogs when they die? No mental torment?

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by missourimary

They're dead.



You seem to be deliberately overlooking the point. Do you tell your kids they shouldn't steal a candy bar because they'll go to jail and only get gruel served to them once a day, rot for years, go to death row and be fried in an electric chair (gory details included) or do you tell your kids they shouldn't steal because stealing is wrong?


I don't believe in the literal hell that I've heard described (see post 110). I'm also not UR. Hell is a place of barrenness, separation from God, and death, perhaps, but neither hell nor God are accurately described in post 110's sermon recollection.

'Oh, sure,' some will say. 'Then what about the rich man and Lazarus?' Even if the story of the rich man and Lazarus is taken literally, if the rich man was in the kind of hell I've heard preached he wouldn't be able to have asked for a drop of water, or even seen Lazarus sitting in Abraham's bosom.

Exactly!

Spread the Good News - - that Jesus died for your sins and when you follow him you can spend eternity with HIM and not be lost.

[jfrog]

What in this world, or the world to come could be soo terrible that God would send his own son to die for us so that we could be saved from whatever fate awaited us?

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

speaking of light, implies there is a darkness. Speaking of heaven implies there is a hell. Speaking of salvation implies there is something to be saved from. Paul speaks of warning people...you don't warn people about good things but rather of bad things.

Jesus spoke about hell. Jesus spoke about sin.

Really?

Somehow I don't follow your logic. Because there is a Los Angeles there must be a Sacramento. Naaaaa. Saying a literal place exists does not mean there is another equal but opposite place.

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Really?

Somehow I don't follow your logic. Because there is a Los Angeles there must be a Sacramento. Naaaaa. Saying a literal place exists does not mean there is another equal but opposite place.

Exactly.

However, we can know that hell is both spoken of in figurative terms but also literal terms (see my prior posts). The figurative language is to help convey the devastation of this idea/place/concept called hell. I'd wager it's worse than the word pictures used to describe.

But neither does that mean I necessarily buy the idea that there is a literal pit of fire with flame curling up where people burn forever. Just like I don't believe heaven is so simple as rich mansions and gold, buffett lines and cloud napping. It's MORE than those word pictures. It's essential unity with God, where hell is eternal separation from God. What that looks like exactly, we only have an idea, and it sounds pretty bad.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Prax, you know as well as I that if Hell is preached it is preached over and over and referred to time and time again. It might not be preached every service. It might not even be referred to every service, but just because it isn't mentioned every service doesn't mean it isn't referenced over and over again.

Also, most everyone already knows what hell is. The preacher rarely needs to devote an entire message to this subject, he usually just needs to mention that word. When's the last time you heard it mentioned in a church service prax?

Really? So the only way to preach Hell is to preach it over and over and over and over? Are you serious? And what does that have to do with what I said earlier when I did not say it should be preached over and over and over.

Almost everyone knows what heaven is, so I guess we should not preach that either? Come on, this is a biblical topic. Jesus talked about it. If you want to go to a well rounded church the topic is gonna come up.

Jesus mentioned it but it's wrong for us to mention it
Paul mentioned it but it's wrong for us to mention it
John mentioned it...

so they were all harping on hell "over and over and over" and driving the unstable to deeper depths of depression?

Well I disagree with a lot of what you said.

To preach hell is not the same as preaching it over and over and over.

One last thing, as I asked before "Who said anything about over and over and over" I also ask who said anything about devoting an entire message to hell? Not me.

As I said already there is no light without darkness. You can't mention light without mentioning darkness even by implication.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Let me add that being ashamed of his words is not the issue but do we really have the true understanding of his words is the crux of the matter.

How is it the crux of the matter when the topic is whether or not it should be spoken of?