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Old 09-22-2010, 07:02 AM
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Re: Why Are We So Scared?

I have seen lots of souls destroyed on church alters because of the EGO of someone...if a soul is destroyed we all lose...On every soul that we deal with we must remember...Fragil...handle with caution....
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Old 09-22-2010, 07:17 AM
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I apologize in advance if this post comes across as unorganized. I just have a few thoughts on my mind that I have to get out. Also, I'm posting from my phone.

I was sitting in service a few Sundays ago, and it just hit me that we have become so scared of offending unbelievers. Services have taken on a more "contemporary" feel, disposing of any gospel roots, and replacing them with the most modern worship songs possible. We dont ever want anyone to feel "uncomfortable."

We preach light, airy messages about the goodness of life, and the possibility of prosperity. In my opinion, we've made Jesus out to be weak, when that is the furthest thing from the truth.

Have we forgotten about the Jesus that got so fed up that he ran te merchants out of the temple with a whip?

Jesus wasn't about people pleasing. Following Jesus isn't the "cool" thing to do, so stop making it that way. People want to see Jesus, so please give them the undiluted version.
Creeping liberalism and the political correct agenda make Christians go on the defensive.

If we preach against fornication and homosexuality, we are labelled haters.
I get called a homophobe and another calls me bigoted. Just preech the bible cover to cover and let the Spirit move.

I notice how nasty the liberals were when we and the survivors expressed rejection of a Mosque.
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Old 09-22-2010, 07:20 AM
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Because most churches have bills to pay girl! If a Pastor preached and offended as often as perhaps they should... they'd be like the first and second century Christians or the OT prophets. You'd see them working with their hands to feed themselves and preaching under bridges and in town squares. When the church's survival is dependent upon paying bills and sustaining the pastor's salary... people pleasing becomes the order of the day.
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Old 09-22-2010, 07:30 AM
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It has nothing to do with being scared, my friend, and everything to do with creating the best possible environment so that the Holy Spirit can be as effective as possible.

Yes, Jesus ran the moneychangers out of the Temple. But those were religious people. His character to those that were broken was extremely soft and gentle.

Jesus was VERY MUCH about people pleasing. Look at what he repeatedly did to those that were broken and when questioned he said, "The whole need not a physician but those that are sick." Jesus was THE most seeker-sensitive person that ever walked the earth.
The seeker sensitive movement? Tickle the ears.
This is why alcoholics go Catholic. The 400,000 alcoholic priests obviously can't speak against drinkin' nor can they offer deliverance for the bonds of
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Romans 3:11There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Seeker sensitive churches think it is their works that entice the Spirit to move. Seeker sensitive claims man has to atract the carnal side of visitors to get them to like church.
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Old 09-22-2010, 07:43 AM
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Re: Why Are We So Scared?

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I apologize in advance if this post comes across as unorganized. I just have a few thoughts on my mind that I have to get out. Also, I'm posting from my phone.

I was sitting in service a few Sundays ago, and it just hit me that we have become so scared of offending unbelievers. Services have taken on a more "contemporary" feel, disposing of any gospel roots, and replacing them with the most modern worship songs possible. We dont ever want anyone to feel "uncomfortable."

We preach light, airy messages about the goodness of life, and the possibility of prosperity. In my opinion, we've made Jesus out to be weak, when that is the furthest thing from the truth.

Have we forgotten about the Jesus that got so fed up that he ran te merchants out of the temple with a whip?

Jesus wasn't about people pleasing. Following Jesus isn't the "cool" thing to do, so stop making it that way. People want to see Jesus, so please give them the undiluted version.


Kind of in the same vein as this thought, I commented at choir practice last night that I am SO GLAD we are having a "Pentecostal Christmas" program this year.


Neither Pentecostal or Apostolic are bad words- Not all of the ideas associated with these words are bad either.
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This bang your head rockin out stuff seen in churches scares me.
Headbanging--appropriate for a heavy metal concert or in the privacy of your own home or car. Not so appropriate for church.
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Thats my take on it..None of the stuff you see in churches today happen in the bible,talking about the jumping,running asles...etc...etc..etc,..
I don't have a problem with the the bible..my problem is with the way churches are and what man has made them into.
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Because most churches have bills to pay girl! If a Pastor preached and offended as often as perhaps they should... they'd be like the first and second century Christians or the OT prophets. You'd see them working with their hands to feed themselves and preaching under bridges and in town squares. When the church's survival is dependent upon paying bills and sustaining the pastor's salary... people pleasing becomes the order of the day.

Ridiculous. You sound like Harold Camping here.

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Old 09-22-2010, 09:55 AM
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Perhaps some churches and their leaders are scared. Maybe they are scared of losing people, losing money, etc. Maybe they are scared because they realized that the way that they have been "doing church" for the past how-ever-long has been oh-so-wrong.

I would not claim to be scared, but perhaps repentant for who I once was. Not a sinner so much as who I was as a saint. Judgemental, demanding too much of others and not enough from myself or perhaps demanding too much of myself without allowing room for Grace to exist in my life.

I can only speak for JT, but I could imagine that there are others that feel like I do. Saddend by my past "christian life" and not as much as my sinful past; we all have one of those. There is something about when things you used to trust in you no longer trust in anymore because you realize your trust was misplaced. It wasn't placed on God, but more on the "religion" or the "faking-it". After too much pressure we break. Sometimes the break is deadly. But the break can also make you into a usable vessel where as once you were a beautiful vessel, but you were so beautiful that you were not usable.

Just a few thoughts.
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Old 09-22-2010, 10:11 AM
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Re: Why Are We So Scared?

Thanks kids, and you too, Sam.

As had been so well pointed out by others, Jesus and His disciples were always kind to the nonbeliever, even to going the extra mile to heal those who did not seek Him (Luke 7:11-15). Compassion, a rare commodity in many of today’s churches.

Now for a heaver hand:

Then, why do we think that someone can only find Jesus in church? At an alter? By the preaching of a licensed minister? Whatever happened to the ministry of the saints?

Why preach hell, damnation and Acts 2:38 to the Spirit filled children of God? Why preach health and prosperity to these same children, who are told that if they pray enough and give enough and sacrifice enough, they will gain God’s favor and receive all these blessings from God? Why do we teach all of the blessings of Abraham upon the church and never teach on the included curses – when all blessings of God (Revelation 14:12) are always ‘conditional’, within the context of a covenant?

Why do we always seem to hear preaching about the word of God, but seldom actually hear the word of God taught?

Why do we think that in order to get into heaven we have to scare folks in it? I would love to find the book, chapter and verse that supports that attitude. If a person confesses Jesus Christ out of fear, he is just taking out fire insurance, not acting out of faith based love. It is an action akin to getting baptized without actual repentance – ya just get wet. Does fear have a place in one’s salvation? I hope so, for it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of a Holy God! But, if your salvation is rooted in fear, you will not have a relationship with God based on “love of your God with all of your heart, soul and strength, i.e., you will have missed out the first and greatest of the commandments.

Further, if you missed out on the second commandment, to love your neighbor as yourself, then you can never love God as He requires, and everything else you attempt to do is a waste of time, effort and energy.

When asked, most church leaders have no understanding of what it means to be a believer in Christ, a follower of Christ, or a disciple of Christ, and why understanding the differences may be critical to one’s salvation. While each of these terms have some shared elements of meaning, their life applications are often vastly different, as demonstrated in the Gospels and the book of Acts.

Why do we think that the Apostle’s doctrine is only what Paul wrote about? Consider, why only few preachers can tell you, with certainty, what all of the other Apostle’s taught in the churches they established and/or visited – using scripture to support their conclusions. Or, thinking that the few letters from Paul, mostly addressing particular church problems, was the sum total of the Apostle’s doctrines. What did Paul teach when he stayed a year or two in some areas? Just what he wrote about in his letters? Guess again.

Fewer still are those who know and teach the difference between biblical doctrines and spiritual instructions, and how they are to work together in a saint’s life. Today, we have preachers/teachers who cannot tell the difference between the doctrines and instructions of men and those of God, or why knowing the difference between them is important – and don’t care to learn. (Colossians 2:20-22)

The Church of the Holy Feel Good is not where one will find the knowledge of God that is needed to live an overcoming life, rather, only a short time of happy good times. However, when the concerts and floor shows are done, and the obligatory group grope at the ‘altar’ is over, it is most frequently back to the same old same old. Where is the life-changing influence of the Spirit? And, is that experience to be expected at every service?

Then, attending the Church of the Holy Fearful will not result in believers finding piece and contentment in their calling, or being edified or prepared for a personal ministry. When will the church move beyond the milk feeding of repentance from dead works, baptisms and of resurrections, etc? (Hebrews 6:1-3). The meeting house was design to be a place of fellowship and instruction. The Temple was destroyed, we are now that temple.

It is the saints who were ordained to preach (share) the gospel of the kingdom of God with those around them, and to influence the world, not to just hang out in a county club and listening to the same old series of lectures, dressed up in different clothes each week.

A final note: It is not we who draw the lost into the fold, it is the Spirit of God that draws, not men! We are all called to share what God has done for us (our testimony), and to give the reason for our hope (teach). No preacher, teacher, evangelist or other minister can do that for you! So, as we look around us today we can see the results of our failure as individuals and as the collective body of Christ. We no longer have an impact on our society. We have become ineffectual in our message, we are no longer salt or light to the world, we are hard and cold toward the lost and we render harsh judgments against our breathers, some with whom we will not even associate. Where do these kinds of attitudes leave us in the eyes of God?

Where do we start in correcting our faults, failures, and missteps? At home, within our own hearts.
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