UPCI pastor resigns amid teen sex charges

[ILG]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome

I'd say something similar happens to people who are molested.

[Liberal]

Originally Posted by ILG

I think it's obvious that if he hasn't admitted guilt he could be innocent.

And he hasn't that we know of that can be verified.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Liberal

And he hasn't that we know of that can be verified.

Then I guess we discuss the possibilities instead.

[Liberal]

Originally Posted by ILG

Then I guess we discuss the possibilities instead.

I suppose if none of us mind having possibilities discussed about us when potentially false accusations have been made about us, then sure, have at it.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Liberal

I suppose if none of us mind having possibilities discussed about us when potentially false accusations have been made about us, then sure, have at it.

No. None of us like that. Of course, this is a public issue. It's in the papers. If anyone can testify to his innocence and great character, this can be done here too.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Liberal

I suppose if none of us mind having possibilities discussed about us when potentially false accusations have been made about us, then sure, have at it.

For some strange reason you are very defensive. No one seems to make accusations on this pastor. We are discussing criminal charges filed in court that are now on the record.
As your avatar suggests, you must be a liberal.
Our media has a festival of making false charges against a Sarah Palin. Those are examples of missing court charges.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by missourimary

Sometimes, Scotty, the person is willing. Sometimes they are not. Whether she was willing or unwilling is a moot point in determining his guilt. There are thankfully few men who succumb to the temptations of a 16 year old simply because she is willing, though I must admit that sleeping with a man 31 years older than me was never something that interested me even as a curious teen. And if she pursued him, he should have been even more cautious to have another party present when (if) he counseled her. Or better yet, he should have recommended she get counsel from someone else.

However, was she willing? I've seen a lot of people do things that went against their conscience or even blatantly against the Bible because someone convinced them they should or because in an emotional high or low they simply made a huge mistake. I've also seen people willingly do things that they later denied wanting to do due to embarrassment or guilt. I won't pass judgment either way.

Hello ... pastors are there to be a guide who uses a moral compass (the Word)... to all sinners he encounters ... there is a trust that he will do that with all his parishioners ... whether they're 6, 16, or 86.

[Liberal]

Originally Posted by ILG

No. None of us like that. Of course, this is a public issue. It's in the papers. If anyone can testify to his innocence and great character, this can be done here too.

True. Maybe someone will eventually.

It is a public issue but I'm hoping that we, as followers of Christ, will believe in him first and let the process take place. And if my pleadings have given the impression that I would ever justify these potential actions, nothing could be further from the truth. And I find the suggestions that some have made that it's in any way whatsoever the girl's fault, to be repulsive. Scotty's situation when the age difference was 15 to 22 is another story. But 16 and 47? The girl couldn't have an ounce of fault...if it's true.

I've been involved with a case where a man was falsely accused and every ounce of public information was against him. But when everything was uncovered, he was vindicated. But the man went through hell, lost everything including his family for a good while, but the things said about him will never go away.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by coadie

For some strange reason you are very defensive. No one seems to make accusations on this pastor. We are discussing criminal charges filed in court that are now on the record.
As your avatar suggests, you must be a liberal.
Our media has a festival of making false charges against a Sarah Palin. Those are examples of missing court charges.

Although I agree he seems defensive, I don't think being a liberal has anything to do with it...

[scotty]

Originally Posted by ILG

What does willing mean? Completely understanding their own motives? Why they are doing what they are doing? Understanding the consequences?

Willingness is a very relative term when it comes to sex and molestation. Many pedophiles claim their victims are "willing".

If your daughter knew you put this out on the internet and blamed her, she would be close to destroyed. Please remove it.

Im not blaming her, thats the point you are missing. I am blaming... i dont know, i guess a society that doesnt see this as a problem.

Willing means exactly what it says. She was willing to do this. She was willing before him and even after him she was willing to have sex again and did. This is the problem I am addressing. Yes, some girls are manipulated or brainwashed, I understand and believe that, but I also know that many girls just see it as a part of their life or something that is perfectly ok to do.

And believe me , she is perfectly fine, she is 20 now and to this day she will tell you she done nothing wrong because it is her life and her perogative. Thats what you dont understand, your trying to protect someone who doesnt want your protection. They dont want you to call them the victim because they made the decision on their own. She refused to press charges, not because she loved him but because "it was my choice, I wanted to".