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Old 09-27-2010, 08:39 PM
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Re: Charismatic Bishop In Lawsuit.

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So, I get crucified for being factual and honest and speaking from experience instead of rumor.





Again, I was being specific about what I knew first hand and you say that is a problem and smacks of racism. If you were in my community among my black friends and made that accusation you would be in a firestorm of controversy. I may be some things, but racist doesn't even come close. You make too many assumptions with too little knowledge, which is why you are off base.

AND, Mr. Martyr, I'm not the only one objecting to your absurd statement. There are, at least, three others who had a problem with it. Answer their posts. Focus your attention on someone besides me.
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Old 09-27-2010, 08:41 PM
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BINGO! This really nails it. In the circles I have "run" in, "down-low" behavior is "straight" black men, which are the only ones I know who are involved in this type of behavior, and that doesn't mean no other ethnic groups are, it's all I am familiar with, (it's just an honest and accurate statement from my experience) and as an aside life-style engage in homosexual behavior but will state that they are not homosexual.
This is just the strangest thing. The Muslims say they are also against homosexuality and as long as they don't "love" the guy they are doing, they don't consider it homosexuality.

I read the article in the Times that someone posted in a previous post. They are passing along AIDS, but won't use protection because if they used protection they would have to focus on the fact that it is a homosexual act. Strange thinking. Strange to call themselves "straight" when they are practicing homosexual acts. Bisexual people are not straight.

The world is absolutely nuts and getting nuttier!
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Old 09-27-2010, 08:42 PM
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Re: Charismatic Bishop In Lawsuit.

I don't see wot the fuss is about. The way I took it, MOW's comment was given to support the notion that the DL is a black-specific issue. Nothing more.
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Old 09-27-2010, 08:49 PM
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I don't see wot the fuss is about. The way I took it, MOW's comment was given to support the notion that the DL is a black-specific issue. Nothing more.


So are you saying the whole point here is that male-male sex done by men who claim to be straight, is a black issue?
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Old 09-27-2010, 09:14 PM
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So are you saying the whole point here is that male-male sex done by men who claim to be straight, is a black issue?
Mr. Smith, you are not being fair. MOW's first post mentioned "DOWN LOW" and you're leaving that phrase out of your above post! Why?

How many proofs do you need?

Down Low is covered by many, many post on the internet! I guess you know more than all of them.

I have enjoyed many of your post but this one is pathetic. I hope you will admit that you might be an ounce or two wrong and go on.

I think I'm going on! I think...... I'm through, because nothing that anyone says changes your locked thinking. You mentioned three that agree with you... I believe at least that same amount have agreed with the other side. So what!!!


Here are just a few of the internet post about this subject. I guess you'd say, "So what!"

Blackstate.com by Peggy Butler

The DL Debate

Although this lifestyle is not new. The regularity with which it occurs in the African-American community was brought to the forefront in 2004 by J.L. King. An admitted down lower, King is author of the best-seller On the Down Low: A Journey into the Lives of "Straight" Black Men Who Sleep with Men. The book not only exposed this contentious taboo, it opened African-Americans eyes to a subject they previously chose to ignore, but now can no longer deny its existence.


On the Down Low: Black Men at the Bathhouse With Girlfriends at Home

Once again we renew our call for the closure of all sex clubs and bathhouses, which as, this article shows, are helping to victimize straight spouses who are unaware of their partner’s secret perversions.– Peter LaBarbera

The following is excerpted from Double Lives on the Down Low, by Benoit Denizet-Lewis, published Aug 3, 2003, by The New York Times Magazine:


Americans For Truth about Homosexuality

…In its upper stories, the Flex bathhouse in Cleveland feels like a squash club for backslapping businessmen. There’s a large gym with free weights and exercise machines on the third floor. In the common area, on the main floor, men in towels lounge on couches and watch CNN on big-screen TV’s.In the basement, the mood is different: the TV’s are tuned to porn, and the dimly lighted hallways buzz with sexual energy. A naked black man reclines on a sling in a room called ”the dungeon play area.” Along a hallway lined with lockers, black men eye each other as they walk by in towels. In small rooms nearby, some men are having sex. Others are napping.

Amazon.com

On the Down Low: A Journey into the Lives of 'Straight' Black Men Who Sleep with Men [Hardcover]
J.L. King (Author), E. Lynn Harris (Foreword)

The Down Low Defined

Authorsden.com

“Down low” is the term used to describe the behavior of Black men who secretly have sex with other men while in marriages or relationships with other women. The men who do this do not consider themselves to be gay. The term “down low” originated in the Black community, and is used almost exclusively to describe Black men. But men of all races engage in this behavior. (Remember New Jersey governor James McGreevey?)

Media Examine African-American Men on "Down Low"
August 4, 2003


The Washington Post today examines black men on the "down low," an expression that describes black men who have sex with men but who never mention their male relationships to their female sex partners, friends or family members. In the black community, the topic of homosexuality -- "and anything else outside the heterosexual norm" -- conflicts with the "interlocking issues of race, religion and gender," Ron Simmons, executive director of Us Helping Us, an organization for black gay and bisexual men in Washington, D.C., said, according to the Post.

Again go back to the first post.... MOW stated "down low" and his subject hasn't changed.

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Old 09-27-2010, 09:16 PM
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Re: Charismatic Bishop In Lawsuit.

I'll say one more thing then I'm about through. Once again, this thread was about alleged behavior. To say that I am personally aware of this behavior among black preachers gives the implication that the behavior is somehow a black related issue.
I've said before that the only reason I even commented was in the hopes that someone like MOW would not voice something like this and totally misrepresent himself to others like myself. I know that he pastors a church that is mixed in race, but I'm telling you that there are many black people who may be perspective members who would read that or hear that and really raise an eyebrow.
I co-wrote an article with my pastor on multi-cultural evangelism and one thing that we discussed is if race is irrelevant to you, it's best to highlight race unless it's relevant to the conversation. At that point we were simply discussing allegations against a preacher who happened to be black. And they were the sort of allegations that truthfully we routinely hear about people from other races as well. It is almost perceived as systemic in an organization that is overwhelmingly white...namely the Catholic church.
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So are you saying the whole point here is that male-male sex done by men who claim to be straight, is a black issue?
Ha ha. M2M sex transcends ethnic and racial barriers. The term "down low" or the "dl" is black-specific.
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Re: Charismatic Bishop In Lawsuit.

Sin is a human issue,not a racial issue.
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Sin is a human issue,not a racial issue.
Pos que... let's keep playing the race card...
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People fall into sin,Jesus Christ came to redeem fallen humanity.
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