Don't Ask....Don't Tell. Good Policy?

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Im just presenting what might be a man's position, a straight man might not want to shower with a gay man knowing he was gay. If we allowed that why not ask the ladies how they feel if heterosexual men showed with them?

My point is and actually this is what I have hear the military brass say, it should be up to the men. How do they feel about gays in the military? How do they feel about showering with them?

Very true. Makes things more complicated.

So what would happen, is the open-range showers would change.

Our trained killers would have to lose that traditional camaraderie.

Fact is, I doubt very man would come out even with a different policy.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

You're not really making sense here, Sam.

Are you referring to transgender adults and the issue of which restroom they should choose? But calling it "bigoted" is a little dramatic.

I think he's being sarcastic.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by notofworks

I'm open to correction on this, but....

....seems to me that it can be pretty difficult, and as a result, unusual, for a person of military combat age (usually late teens, early 20's) are much more unlikely to have "Come out". Most that I know have wrestled through it for a number of years before they're able to get to the place they're comfortable with revealing their orientation.

Point being, isn't it a bit unusual for an 18-year-old to sign up with the military, announcing, "Hi there, I'm gay"? Am I wrong about this?

Funny, I just was posting the same thing.

As of right now, they would only be creating issues. And how does this affect the atmosphere in general for everyone when there are these sexual concerns.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I'm not sure about all the reasoning behind "don't ask", but I think "don't tell" is a great policy--for the protection of homosexual men. Even our wonderful military is home to some certifiable idiots. I'm sure if those dolts found out they'd been bunking & showering with a gay man for the last few years, they'd be angry enough to do something stupid about it.

If the gays were suddenly allowed (or forced) out of the closet, I predict there would be dire consequences for at least a few.

I don't buy the whole "for the protection of homosexual men." They can decide to ask or tell at their own risk as it is. Now, they are booted out of the army. So I don't buy that as an argument, and it seems rather disingenuous to suggest that it's all for their sake.

Abraham Lincoln and forward also had to deal with cultural issues like this when many refused to fight alongside a black man.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

I asked my retired military dad once about gays in the military, he stated something like military has always discriminated against certain people such as handicaps, flat feet, low IQ, etc.....he made the point that gays are handicaped in their minds so it should disqualify them. Good point, IMO.

I'm sorry, but that's pretty ridiculous. In fact, the most outrageous thing on this thread so far.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

I'm sorry, but that's pretty ridiculous. In fact, the most outrageous thing on this thread so far.

Glad you noticed. I'm mostly the only one who threw a fit about it, so welcome aboard.

Gay=Mentally handicapped.

Brilliant.

[Mr. Smith]

Coadie, I'll ask one more time. Fish or cut bait. Poop or get off the pot. Do you think I'm gay? Either answer or go post your idiotic dribble on CARM or some preacher forum or something.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

I don't buy the whole "for the protection of homosexual men." They can decide to ask or tell at their own risk as it is. Now, they are booted out of the army. So I don't buy that as an argument, and it seems rather disingenuous to suggest that it's all for their sake.

Abraham Lincoln and forward also had to deal with cultural issues like this when many refused to fight alongside a black man.

I wasn't mentioning "protection of homosexual men" as an argument from anyone but me. When I consider the issue, I fear for the lives and wellbeing of homosexual men who might be outed, or for those who might be so idealistic as to think coming out of the closet will have no consequences. I don't see how that's disingenuous in any way; it's just a concern.

Per your reference to civil rights: you're illustrating my point. There were a lot of lives lost in that fight.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

Coadie, I'll ask one more time. Fish or cut bait. Poop or get off the pot. Do you think I'm gay? Either answer or go post your idiotic dribble on CARM or some preacher forum or something.

Coadie, you gonna take that from him?

[Liberal]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Coadie, you gonna take that from him?

I don't think Coadie has the guts to answer.