Don't Ask....Don't Tell. Good Policy?

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Coadie, I was in the military. I was a medic. I've known gay, bi, and just "freaky" soldiers. In my unit the most promiscuous soldiers were the straight soldiers. The few gay soldiers I knew were a small minority and typically kept to themselves for fear of trouble and perhaps even being physically assulted by other soldiers. One gay soldier was Sgt. Williams. Out of his entire squad, he is the one soldier that I know I could trust and rely on in combat.

Now, the most outrageous perverts who slept with anything (female) were straight guys in the 19D section.

So laws should be based on anecdotes?

The plural of anecdote is not "data"

4But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:

5And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

6And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Coadie, I was in the military. I was a medic. I've known gay, bi, and just "freaky" soldiers. In my unit the most promiscuous soldiers were the straight soldiers. The few gay soldiers I knew were a small minority and typically kept to themselves for fear of trouble and perhaps even being physically assulted by other soldiers. One gay soldier was Sgt. Williams. Out of his entire squad, he is the one soldier that I know I could trust and rely on in combat.

Now, the most outrageous perverts who slept with anything (female) were straight guys in the 19D section.

What if that changed, Aquila. How would they then be acting?

And I imagine, since they sell porn in the commissaries, that straight guys would act outrageous. That's another thing the military needs to fix.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by coadie

So laws should be based on anecdotes?

The plural of anecdote is not "data"

4But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:

5And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

6And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,

Yep, sounds like homosexual rape to me. Same thing almost happened in Judges 19, but the attackers took the Levites concubine instead when the host wouldn't surrender the Levite.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

What if that changed, Aquila. How would they then be acting?

And I imagine, since they sell porn in the commissaries, that straight guys would act outrageous. That's another thing the military needs to fix.

Frat charges would be sufficient.

Straight guys often act outrageous even without porn around.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Twisp

Going by this logic, we should not allow anyone that smokes, due to their likelihood of getting a form of cancer, or allow anyone who drinks, due to their likelihood of getting liver disease, or allow and one who does not eat healthy, due to their likelihood of having a heart condition. lol



Same faulty logic as the previous statement. We should not let anyone in that smokes, as they are at a higher risk of getting cancer, and thereby not be able to deploy.

You do not process things with reason.

Our no smoking laws in restaurants are like the no gays in the military.

You can be a smoker in here but we don't want to see it in here.

You can be gay in the military but we don't want to see it or hear about it..

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Twisp

Whether we have made strides towards decreasing smoking or not, the comparison still stands. If you do not want homosexuals in the military because you do not want to pay for their long-term health care if they get HIV, then the same logic applies to smokers and cancer.



As far as it being terminal, who cares? There are lots of diseases that are terminal and we don't preclude people from joining the military just because they have a chance to get them.



Herpes, gonorrhea and other STDs are just as spreadable as AIDS, and more likely to be spread. While not necessarily leading to death as AIDs does, they still have symptoms that can easily cause a soldier to not be prepared to go to battle or to their post.

Where do you draw the line? If you do not want one disease in the military, then you have to start looking at all of them.

You are making me remember the report that I read. It did include the STD's leaving a solider inactive. Hmmmm, where did I read that?! I can't remember!

Where to draw the line? Deadly disease is a good place to start - Aids.

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by coadie

You do not process things with reason.

Our no smoking laws in restaurants and like the no gays in the military.

You can be a smoker in here but we don't want to see it in here.

You can be gay in the military but we don't want to see it or hear about it..

Smoking has the issue of producing second hand smoke, which is why it is banned in some places.

Homosexuality does not produce any second hand homosexuality, which is where your analogy falls apart, lol.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Frat charges would be sufficient.

Straight guys often act outrageous even without porn around.

Porn doesn't help and it certainly is a bad example to support it. Especially the United States military.

What is a frat charge?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Twisp

Smoking has the issue of producing second hand smoke, which is why it is banned in some places.

Homosexuality does not produce any second hand homosexuality, which is where your analogy falls apart, lol.

Second hand Aids? LOL!

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Coadie, I was in the military. I was a medic. I've known gay, bi, and just "freaky" soldiers. In my unit the most promiscuous soldiers were the straight soldiers. The few gay soldiers I knew were a small minority and typically kept to themselves for fear of trouble and perhaps even being physically assulted by other soldiers. One gay soldier was Sgt. Williams. Out of his entire squad, he is the one soldier that I know I could trust and rely on in combat.

Now, the most outrageous perverts who slept with anything (female) were straight guys in the 19D section.

Aquila

Yep, sounds like homosexual rape to me. Same thing almost happened in Judges 19, but the attackers took the Levites concubine instead when the host wouldn't surrender the Levite.

5And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

6And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,

I am speechless