NOW, When Is Someone Saved?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Fair enough, Prax.

It's not so much I'm bent on making that distinction as much as just identifying a distinction that seems to be so obvious.

I sincerely am not discussing this with contempt, prejudice or anger. Posts like these are what AFF was built on.

Id rather discuss what the bible says one way or another rather than declare someone a heretic.

What exactly does it accomplish for anyone's benefit to declare someone a heretic?

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

NOW, let's get away from DA's belief since he is not here to defend himself. When do YOU believe someone is saved? If 3 stepper's disagree with you, are they teaching false doctrine?

Sorry I missed out on my grilling. I'll catch up but in short, I believe what the bible says! I'll answer, though.

[smurfette]

I believe you are truly saved when you get to heaven.

[kayl]

Originally Posted by smurfette

I believe you are truly saved when you get to heaven.

Do you believe you can lose your salvation?

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

I will just tell you this: when I saw it. When I saw God's grace for the first time (it was after 3 decades in the Church, mind you), the first thing I did was weep and wonder if I was even saved before. Granted, that was only an expression of my emotions, but it's how deep and life-changing that moment was.

I don't say this mean-spirited at all. I just really worry about people that put commands in front of Grace -- PARTICULARLY, demanding that people speak in tongues to be saved.

Very similar experience for me. I finally felt, and still feel, like a stereotypical "New Convert."

[notofworks]

Here are just a few of the verses that describe directly how we are "Saved."



1) Romans 10:4...For Christ has accomplished the whole purpose of the law. All who believe in him are made right with God.

2) Romans 10:8...Salvation that comes from trusting Chris–which is the message we preach–is already within easy reach. In fact, the Scriptures say, "The message is close at hand; it is on your lips and in your heart."

3) Romans 10:9...For if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

4) Romans 10:10...For it is by believing in your heart that you are made right with God, and it is by confessing with your mouth that you are saved.

5) Romans 10:13...For anyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.

6) Acts 2:21...And anyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.

7) Acts 13:39...Everyone who believes in him is freed from all guilt and declared right with God–something the Jewish law could never do.

8) Acts 16:31...They replied, "Believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, along with your entire household."

9) I Corinthians 1:21...Since God in his wisdom saw to it that the world would never find him through human wisdom, he has used our foolish preaching to save all who believe.

10) Romans 5:1...Therefore, since we have been made right in God's sight by faith, we have peace with God because of that Christ our Lord has done for us.

11) John 11:25...Jesus told her, "I am the resurrection and the life. Those who believe in me, even though they die like everyone else, will live again."

12) John 11:26...They are given eternal life for believing in me and will never perish.

13) John 3:15...So that everyone who believes in me will have eternal life.

14) John 3:16...For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.

15) John 5:24...I assure you, those who listen to my message and believe in God who sent me have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their sins, but they have already passed from death to life.

16) I Timothy 1:16...But that is why God had mercy on me, so that Christ Jesus could use me as a prime example of his great patience with even the worst sinners. Then others can realize that they, too, can believe in him and receive eternal life.

17) Romans 3:25...For God sent Jesus to take the punishment for our sins and to satisfy God's anger against us. We are made right with God when we believe that Jesus shed his blood, sacrificing his life for us.

18) Romans 3:28...So we are made right with God through faith and not by obeying the law.

19) I John 5:1...Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is a child of God.

20) I John 4:15...All who proclaim that Jesus is the Son of God have God living in them, and they live in God.

21) II Timothy 3:15...You have been taught the holy Scriptures since childhood, and they have given you the wisdom to receive the salvation that comes by trusting in Christ Jesus.

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by smurfette

I believe you are truly saved when you get to heaven.

the question is, how do you get there?

[notofworks]

God saved you by his special favor when you believed. And you can't take credit for this; it is a gift from God. (Ephesians 2:8)

Anything that we have done, any formulas of salvation that we figured out, any actions that we took, any movements that we made, any steps we have taken.....is something we can take credit for and is an addition to the cross of Jesus Christ.



"Notice what large letters I use as I write these closing words in my own handwriting. Those who are trying to force you to be circumcised are doing it for just one reason. They don't want to be persecuted for teaching that the cross of Christ alone can save."

Galatians 6:11-12 NLT

[smurfette]

Originally Posted by kayl

Do you believe you can lose your salvation?

Hard question. I believe people make choices to live for Christ and continue to walk in the faith. I believe there are people who choose to walk away from Jesus and deny Him.

I don't think you just lose your salvation like your car keys.

[Dedicated Mind]

now, I believe all those scriptures, how do you answer john 3:5 except a man be born of water and spirit he cannot enter the kingdom of God. Romans 8 except a man have the spirit of God he is none of his. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. Baptism doth also now save us.