It ALL starts and ends with faith. Am I the only "three stepper" on this forum who has said it starts and ends with faith? I haven't read anyone say differently, but maybe I've missed it, I've hardly read everything on here.
I'm starting to get a complex (not) about faith and being a 'three stepper" (yikes, I don't like that saying...but, when in Rome).
Without faith it's impossible to please God...that's not hard to reconcile with being obedient to the plan of salvation.
Paul said he would show you his faith by his works.
Seems to me there's enough division without making it sound like those who believe in Acts 2:38 as the plan of salvation don't have faith or that we believe the monumental price Jesus paid for our sins isn't enough.
Maybe I'm reading things into what is being posted...
It ALL starts and ends with faith. Am I the only "three stepper" on this forum who has said it starts and ends with faith? I haven't read anyone say differently, but maybe I've missed it, I've hardly read everything on here.
I'm starting to get a complex (not) about faith and being a 'three stepper" (yikes, I don't like that saying...but, when in Rome).
Without faith it's impossible to please God...that's not hard to reconcile with being obedient to the plan of salvation.
Paul said he would show you his faith by his works.
Seems to me there's enough division without making it sound like those who believe in Acts 2:38 as the plan of salvation don't have faith or that we believe the monumental price Jesus paid for our sins isn't enough.
Maybe I'm reading things into what is being posted...
He did??
The talk of works (James) has nothing to do with salvation. It has to do wit encouraging those of the faith to good works.
Want to know what Paul says about works in the context of salvation? Read Romans/Galatians.
What's that suppose to mean? Because I am very conservative politically that makes my beliefs in the Word of God null and void?
That says more about you then me....(smiles nice)!
The talk of works (James) has nothing to do with salvation. It has to do wit encouraging those of the faith to good works.
Want to know what Paul says about works in the context of salvation? Read Romans/Galatians.
It does in the context of faith....now we're suppose to seperate faith and what kind of works. That doesn't make any sense.
I've read Romans/Galatians many, many times and I still don't see the seperation of faith and works.
I do see the seperation of my own righteousness earning any kind of salvation, favor with God, or anything approaching the Kingdom of God.
I'll never get there on my own, not ever. It is by faith I am justified.
I see the seperation from not having faith and being saved.
Well, I agree with you, but a BUNCH of people here don't believe it's that simple, you're aware of that, right?
Yes.
And I also believe we should be baptized in Jesus name, for the remission of sins, and that we receive the GIFT of the Holy Ghost.
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It ALL starts and ends with faith. Am I the only "three stepper" on this forum who has said it starts and ends with faith? I haven't read anyone say differently, but maybe I've missed it, I've hardly read everything on here.
I'm starting to get a complex (not) about faith and being a 'three stepper" (yikes, I don't like that saying...but, when in Rome).
Without faith it's impossible to please God...that's not hard to reconcile with being obedient to the plan of salvation. Paul said he would show you his faith by his works.
Seems to me there's enough division without making it sound like those who believe in Acts 2:38 as the plan of salvation don't have faith or that we believe the monumental price Jesus paid for our sins isn't enough.
Maybe I'm reading things into what is being posted...
That actually was James who said that, and he was referencing a person choosing to pray for the need of another rather than just filling the need themselves. It has nothing, neither directly nor indirectly, to do with anything relating to salvation.
You got it Jeffrey. Of all the ministers on Aff even, I think the majority will say that water and Spirit baptism follows conversion.
"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life." Romans 6:1-4
If you are dead to sin by being buried in baptism, how are you saved at repentance alone? Wouldn't you "walk in newness of life" if you were saved? Romans says that you "walk in newness of life" after we are raised like as Christ was raised from the dead.
How is Christ raised? By the Spirit.
"But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you." Romans 8:11
We need to be filled with His Spirit to walk in newness of life. It begins with repentance, but doesn't stop there.
Looks like I'm sticking with Acts 2:38 (Repent AND be baptized...for the remission of sins...) and the badly termed "3-stepper" doctrine.
"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life." Romans 6:1-4
If you are dead to sin by being buried in baptism, how are you saved at repentance alone? Wouldn't you "walk in newness of life" if you were saved? Romans says that you "walk in newness of life" after we are raised like as Christ was raised from the dead.
How is Christ raised? By the Spirit.
"But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you." Romans 8:11
We need to be filled with His Spirit to walk in newness of life. It begins with repentance, but doesn't stop there.
Looks like I'm sticking with Acts 2:38 (Repent AND be baptized...for the remission of sins...) and the badly termed "3-stepper" doctrine.
eeh. lets just go with "Im a christian, i mean I believe in Jesus..."
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