NOW, When Is Someone Saved? - Page 14

jfrog · #**131** 10-24-2010, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by sandie

You do realize the people he was speaking to was the body of Christ, these were Chrisitans.
You mention II Corth. 11, in verse 2 he says, "For I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy; for I bethroted you to one husband, that to Christ I might present you as a pure virgin." He has already preached the Gospel to them, and no doubt they have already obeyed, so why would he tell them again, he hasn't even re-preached the Gospel in this chapter.
The epistles are the letters written to the saints. They are already saved.

The epistles are written to church goers so why are they told how to have church? The epistles are written to communion takers so why are they told about communion? The epistles are written to those who done know about the work of Christ so why do they need to be told about it again? The epistles are written to those who know baptism is essential for salvation so why even mention baptism saving in 1 Peter 3:21? Do you understand NOW's point now? He was complaining about the double standard of thinking no apostle would ever mention salvation again because the people they were talking to were already saved. The fact is the epistles mention alot of things to people that already know or practice the things they mention. So why do the epistles mention any of that stuff again if they aren't supposed to mention stuff about things people done have done or done know about?

sandie · #**132** 10-24-2010, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

I know, 'cause you'll never be right as long as you believe what you do!!

And the "He was talking to saved people" argument is SO ridiculous. He was talking to people that took communion but he told them how. He was talking to people that gave, but he told them how to give. He was talking to people that had the gifts of the Spirit, but he told them how they were to be used.

But suddenly, "Oh he was talking to saved people, so he didn't tell them how to be saved."

Worst argument in exegetical history.

It's not "suddenly", take the time to read the first few verses of each epistle and ask yourself who is being written to.
He was teaching the church of God, those who were already considered the "brethern" how to mature in their faith.

Cindy · #**133** 10-24-2010, 08:33 PM

Why do y'all think Jesus was baptized?

notofworks · #**134** 10-24-2010, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

A big emphasis was put on the "Gospels, Acts, and Epistles" lesson in our doctrine class at ABI. That was covered several times.

Interesting. Was it said at ABI, "Acts tells you how to get saved and the rest of the NT tells you how to stay saved"?

Why would a primary salvation doctrine be recorded in a history book and not in the doctrinal books??

jfrog · #**135** 10-24-2010, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Cindy

Why do y'all think Jesus was baptized?

To fulfill all righteousness

...That's not much of an answer on my part though...

notofworks · #**136** 10-24-2010, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by sandie

You do realize the people he was speaking to was the body of Christ, these were Chrisitans.
You mention II Corth. 11, in verse 2 he says, "For I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy; for I bethroted you to one husband, that to Christ I might present you as a pure virgin." He has already preached the Gospel to them, and no doubt they have already obeyed, so why would he tell them again, he hasn't even re-preached the Gospel in this chapter.
The epistles are the letters written to the saints. They are already saved.

Like I said, worst argument in exegetical history. I can only re-state what's already been said. Paul instructed these people on MANY things they were already doing. It's completely absurd, beyond any comprehension, that he would write countless hours of letters and NEVER mention the salvational instructions of the "Three Steps." NEVER!!!

But he mentioned salvation dozens of times and he was absolutely consistent with his instruction. He was abundantly clear what brought salvation. He said the same exact thing that was recorded in Acts 16:31.

sandie · #**137** 10-24-2010, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jfrog

The epistles are written to church goers so why are they told how to have church? The epistles are written to communion takers so why are they told about communion? The epistles are written to those who done know about the work of Christ so why do they need to be told about it again? The epistles are written to those who know baptism is essential for salvation so why even mention baptism saving in 1 Peter 3:21?

Did you come to God fully aware of how to live a mature life in Christ?
Have you never needed any encouragment, lessons? Have you never attended a Bible study? Did you start out in perfection?
Peter was writing to and I quote in part:"....who are chosen".
I think this is a weak argument on denying the need for obeying the Gospel.
Blessings.

jfrog · #**138** 10-24-2010, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by sandie

Did you come to God fully aware of how to live a mature life in Christ?
Have you never needed any encouragment, lessons? Have you never attended a Bible study? Did you start out in perfection?
Peter was writing to and I quote in part:"....who are chosen".
I think this is a weak argument on denying the need for obeying the Gospel.
Blessings.

Did you come to God fully aware and persuaded that repentance, baptism and receiving the Holy Ghost were all absolutely necessary for salvation? Or did you need some clarification and extra explanation to come to that conclusion?

notofworks · #**139** 10-24-2010, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by sandie

Did you come to God fully aware of how to live a mature life in Christ?
Have you never needed any encouragment, lessons? Have you never attended a Bible study? Did you start out in perfection?
Peter was writing to and I quote in part:"....who are chosen".
I think this is a weak argument on denying the need for obeying the Gospel.
Blessings.

sandie · #**140** 10-24-2010, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

Like I said, worst argument in exegetical history. I can only re-state what's already been said. Paul instructed these people on MANY things they were already doing. It's completely absurd, beyond any comprehension, that he would write countless hours of letters and NEVER mention the salvational instructions of the "Three Steps." NEVER!!!

But he mentioned salvation dozens of times and he was absolutely consistent with his instruction. He was abundantly clear what brought salvation. He said the same exact thing that was recorded in Acts 16:31.

So his own obedience in obeying the Gospel was an act in futility? When he was told to arise and be baptized washing away his sins was just for what?
You might want to keep reading in Acts 16, after verse 31 it says Paul and Silas "spoke the word of the Lord" to his whole house and low and behold, "...immediatley he was baptized, he and all his household".
Your example falls short when not taken into context.