NOW, When Is Someone Saved? - Page 21

Hoovie · #**201** 10-24-2010, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam

I may give it a visit. Currently trying to appease the wife by attending her church. I am not a Christian, btw. Only married to one, a member of First Apostolic in Marion. R.G. Walls church.

I see. I'll remember you, and I pray Christ would bless you and yours abundantly.

Adam · #**202** 10-24-2010, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

Noooo!!!!!!!!

Oh, yes. And that is why I am currently lost.

Adam · #**203** 10-24-2010, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie

I see. I'll remember you, and I pray Christ would bless you and yours abundantly.

Thanks Hoovie. When I was a lurker here, your "thumbs up" picture with your hat on would always crack me up. Your child is cute and all, but I miss that avatar.

Good night, y'all.

Hoovie · #**204** 10-24-2010, 09:54 PM

Adam, If you believe, then simply focus on your relationship with Christ. Let him speak and commune with you. The Lord will empower you to do his work. No GREAT faith required.

Hoovie · #**205** 10-24-2010, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam

Thanks Hoovie. When I was a lurker here, your "thumbs up" picture with your hat on would always crack me up. Your child is cute and all, but I miss that avatar.

Good night, y'all.

LOL! I may have to resurrect myself then!

notofworks · #**206** 10-24-2010, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam

What is a Christian, really? This is what this thread is all about. And so many other threads here.

A follower of Christ. Again, I won't quote your private words publicly, but by what you said in one of your PM's, I would absolutely call you a Follower of Christ.

notofworks · #**207** 10-24-2010, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by adam

oh, yes. And that is why i am currently lost.

no you're not!!!

Jeffrey · #**208** 10-24-2010, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

Three thoughts on John 3:5.

1. Those who think "born of water" here means water baptism are teaching the Roman Catholic doctrine that water baptism is necessary to be saved, to wash away sin and that it births one into the family of God. Here is a note at John 3:5 in my Douay (Roman Catholic) Bible. The Bible is official. It has the imprimatur of Bernardus Cardinalis Griffin dated 14 September 1955. The notes in it were compiled by Bishop Challoner (1691-1781). The note says, "By these words the Saviour hath declared the necessity of baptism...."

2. Jesus did NOT say, "unless a person is born AGAIN of water and Spirit...." He was not saying that water was part of a new or second birth. He was answering the question of Nicodemus about entering into a mother's womb and being born a second time. He was making it clear that the first first birth (the birth of water, or the birth from the womb, or the birth into the human family, or the birth of our human flesh) is different from the second birth (the birth of the Spirit, or the birth from above, or the birth into the heavenly family, or the birth of our human spirit."

3. Here is how one version of the Bible translates John 3:5-6:
Jesus replied, "What I am telling you so earnestly is this: Physical birth is not enough. You must be born spiritually. Men can only reproduce human life, but the Holy Spirit gives new life from Heaven."

After reading the various exegesis on John 3:5, I'm quite certain there is no speak of some natural birth in contrast with a spiritual birth. It is a compounded phrase together, both referring to the new birth --- which indeed happens at belief. Either way, I can accept either reading of it.

Jeffrey · #**209** 10-24-2010, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by shag

NOW or Jeffrey, I am curious of your views on Peter using the "keys to the Kingdom" in Acts 2, and where He used them if he did?

Of course I believe fully in the instructions Peter gave those who wanted to know how to act on their faith. They heard the Gospel --- both their indictment and hope.

I think too much is made of the "keys" being a brand-new message that Peter was destined to give separate of what Jesus had already been teaching. I do believe his was a voice of authority among the early church (as was demonstrated -- and his voice was one to the Jews for certain).

It's how we read Peter's words, and how we discard the remainder of the NT in the process that is concerning. We find a unique interpretation in the Lukan account (ironically, Luke's words, not Peter's) that is unfortunate.

Very much a believer in what Peter said, and strongly affirmed by all of the Lukan accounts. Those stories showed us the power and force behind the inauguration of the Church, how God was with them, he affirmed Himself, enabled them and led them even through suffering.

shag · #**210** 10-24-2010, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey

I believe fully in the instructions Peter gave those who wanted to know how to act on their faith? They heard the Gospel --- indictment and hope.

I think too much is made of the "keys" being a brand-new message that Peter was destined to give separate of what Jesus had already been teaching. I do believe his was a voice of authority among the early church.

It's how we read Peter's words, and how we discard the remainder of the NT in the process.

Very much a believer in what Peter said, and strongly affirmed by all of the Lukan accounts.

thanks Jeffrey