Isaiah 3 and jewelry...

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Do you know how to contribute to the discussion by doing more than flinging insults left and right? Actually try to support your statements with facts, scripture and rationale, for goodness' sake!

You're a woman, MB. You have no value to add to this discussion, in RDP's view

[rdp]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

rdp -

You do realize you make very little sense, right?

Ho-Hum...where to begin? Think I'll start w/ the obvious: Ad hominem [go "decipher" that, since you apparently are not familiar w/ logical fallacies] scorn does not serve as evidence.

The meaning of the word "poor [man]" from Strong's:

From πτώσσω ptōssō (to crouch; akin to G4422 and the alternate of G4098); a beggar (as cringing), that is, pauper (strictly denoting absolute or public mendicancy, although also used in a qualified or relative sense; whereas G3993 properly means only straitened circumstances in private), literally (often as noun) or figuratively (distressed): - beggar (-ly), poor.

As you can see, it could literally mean a beggar (as in, someone homeless and begging for meals on the streets), or it could refer to someone who is simply poor.

Ahhh yes, the ol' Strongs that simply gives every possible meaning of the word under consideration. Ya' know, you folks are terrible wanting in the area of Koine' Greek grammar...if you even know what that is. Oh yea', I like how you prefer the alternate meaning to the "literal" definition ! Why am I not surprised?

By the way, since "public mendicancy" means "dependent on alms for sustenance", and we have a lot of Christians on the public dole, e.g., WELFARE, I'd say we DO have a lot of beggars in the church, at least in THAT sense of the word.

More twisting here than a Chubby Checker tribute! "Christians," should work if able [see II Thess.....but put your typical eraser down when you do]], if not able, then this would be an anomaly...which NEVER sets the precedent for the normative situations. Man...you guys are unbelievably ignorant of proper academia, which, of course, is why you believe the way you do!



I assure you that I have known of Christians who went hungry. It only takes a minuscule amount of research to find cases of Christians over the centuries who have not only been without food, but without shelter and other basic necessities. Some have even lost their lives.

I simply quote from Psalms....& now you've relegated the quotation to me asserting that Christians have never went hungry????? Wow, what theological leap-frog! Since you assume that I've stated this, surely you should have no problem validating your assumption thru a cut & paste...right? So, here's your chance:___________? Those pesky unfillable blanks !

If you haven't heard of anything like that, I suggest you take to reading more than the Sunday comics.

By the way, it's MissBrattiFIED; not MissBrattifield. And here we're supposed to trust your ability to decipher plain text.

Never asked you to trust my ability to decipher the plain text. In fact, all ya' have to do is turn to I Tim. 2 & read it for yourself! Here, let me help you out: "N-O-T with gold jewelry, pearls, or costly apparel." Can you "decipher" that ?

O' & by the way, if you've ever commited a typo, then should we "trust your ability' as well? Thus, what you charge me w/....you yourself are guilty of! Ho- Hum......gotta' go, got grown up things to do now!

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Socialite

You're a woman, MB. You have no value to add to this discussion, in RDP's view

Oh, that's right. I guess he doesn't have a mother, grandmother or wife whose opinion he respects. All these extraneous, bothersome females....

[rdp]

Originally Posted by mfblume

So does God....

Ezekiel 16:11-13 I decked thee also with ornaments, and I put bracelets upon thy hands, and a chain on thy neck. (12) And I put a jewel on thy forehead, and earrings in thine ears, and a beautiful crown upon thine head. (13) Thus wast thou decked with gold and silver; and thy raiment was of fine linen, and silk, and broidered work; thou didst eat fine flour, and honey, and oil: and thou wast exceeding beautiful, and thou didst prosper into a kingdom.

On brother, then according to this verse, can we be decked in jewels, including nose rings & teach others about modesty????????

Too funny................

[rdp]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

rdp,

You made the point that there weren't any Christians who were "beggars" based on Psalms, I assume to illustrate that the poor man in James wasn't a Christian.

However, Romans uses the same word for "poor" to describe saints. Obviously there WERE poor saints, and the same word that you ascribed as "beggar" was used to describe them.

So which is it? Were there poor (beggars) people in the NT church or not?

There's a distinction made between "poor" folks & outright "beggars"...if you cannot even comprehend that, then no wonder we're going nowhere!

[Socialite]

You do realize you make very little sense, right?

Ho-Hum...where to begin? Think I'll start w/ the obvious: Ad hominem [go "decipher" that, since you apparently are not familiar w/ logical fallacies] scorn does not serve as evidence.

Actually, her statement was NOT an ad hominem. It was a point she makes, and proceeds from there to explain WHY she believes your point was "not making sense." How is that an ad hominem? Put away your glossary! lol

[rdp]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Do you know how to contribute to the discussion by doing more than flinging insults left and right? Actually try to support your statements with facts, scripture and rationale, for goodness' sake!

Ahhh yes, the typical lib argument! You can deride me constantly, but when I put it back in your lap, you cry "foul play" .

See thyself.......

[Socialite]

The meaning of the word "poor [man]" from Strong's:

From πτώσσω ptōssō (to crouch; akin to G4422 and the alternate of G4098); a beggar (as cringing), that is, pauper (strictly denoting absolute or public mendicancy, although also used in a qualified or relative sense; whereas G3993 properly means only straitened circumstances in private), literally (often as noun) or figuratively (distressed): - beggar (-ly), poor.

As you can see, it could literally mean a beggar (as in, someone homeless and begging for meals on the streets), or it could refer to someone who is simply poor.

Ahhh yes, the ol' Strongs that simply gives every possible meaning of the word under consideration. Ya' know, you folks are terrible wanting in the area of Koine' Greek grammar...if you even know what that is. Oh yea', I like how you prefer the alternate meaning to the "literal" definition ! Why am I not surprised?

You've done nothing to defend your position on why you think the word should be one who begs and not just one who is poor and in need. Talk about ad hominems! Look up the word "hypocrisy."

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by rdp

There's a distinction made between "poor" folks & outright "beggars"...if you cannot even comprehend that, then no wonder we're going nowhere!

I comprehend that there's a distinction. My question is: Since the same word is used for "poor" saints in Romans as is used for "poor" man in James, which definition do you prefer. Was the man in James a "beggar" while the saints in Romans were only "poor?"

Maybe I did misunderstand you somewhere; I thought that earlier on the thread you were saying the poor man in James was not a Christian because there aren't Christians who are beggars. e.g., you were using that point to prove he was actually "vile/wicked" and not just "poor." If that's what you stated, then doesn't that mean you also interpret the word to mean "beggar?" And if you interpret it to mean that in James, then why not in Romans as well?

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Socialite

More than 80% of the world lives in poverty. I'd hardly consider that an anomaly. And an entire continent, if we considered only Africa, is hardly an anomaly. What a racist thing to say.

Throwing out Logic 101 terms does not help your argument, my friend.

We're not talking about the world in general now are we? What a subtle shift, which you'll not pass off on me. We're discussing Christians as a whole. I certainly understand that there are some Christians who live in poverty [such as the Messiah even], but we're talking about Christian beggars. Yes, you need lessons in logical fallacies.