Welcome Azzan Thread

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

We are supposed to condemn him to hell and beat him incessantly over the head with "the truth" while declaring him a reprobate...which means he can't be saved anyways. That makes sense. I wonder why Fred Phelps clan isn't over running with former homosexuals

Don't be thilly!!! No one here is advocating such behavior!

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Berkley

Don't be thilly!!! No one here is advocating such behavior!

No? How many times does he need to be told he is lost and quote scriptures before it becomes beating someone over the head?

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

No? How many times does he need to be told he is lost and quote scriptures before it becomes beating someone over the head?

What are you talking about? Nobody quoted scriptures to him. They were quoted to the greasey gracers who are obviously light on the message.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Charnock

A new low for AFF.

Originally Posted by Charnock

Your acceptance of yet another abomination.

Originally Posted by Charnock

Btw, has anyone thought to research the name "Azzan?"

It means strong thorn.

Think about it.

How many of these seem like the motive is love?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Charnock

Several have suggested he does need to repent, to many jeers.

If several have already suggested he needs to repent, why does Charnock need to chime in? When does this become beating someone over the head. Does anyone really think this person does not already know?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Charnock

Romans 1

20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Originally Posted by Charnock

Homosexuality is a sin, a perversion, and an abomination.

Homosexuality will keep you from heaven.

You cannot be a Christian and be a homosexual.

Unrepentant homosexuals will go to Hell.

Originally Posted by Charnock

Romans 1:18

"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;"

"Holding the truth in unrighteousness is decisive of moral character. It is a state of total depravity, of total dishonesty in regard both to God and men. While the debt is admitted in words, and the obligation both to God and man in words is admitted, yet practically it is a denial of the obligation. The sinner virtually says--"I know I ought to obey God, but I will not. I know I ought to love my neighbor as myself, but I will not . I know I am indebted to God, but I will not pay him. I know I am indebted to man, but I care not for it--I will not pay him."

This, then, is making an open issue with God before the entire universe. It is a deliberate, known, practical, persistent rejection of his authority. Again, it is setting the worst possible example before God's subjects. Suppose a subject of any government to stand forth in the presence of all the subjects, and deliberately refuse to obey the laws; not merely [refuse] to obey some one law, but [refuse] to obey the laws in general and universally. Suppose the subject to admit the obligation, to admit the wisdom and justice, and equity, and necessity of the laws, but for unrighteous reasons to refuse to obey them; to take a course directly opposed to them; to persist in that course, and to hold fast his persistent resistance to the authority of the government--should not the wrath of the government be revealed against such a character as that?"

Charles Finney

Is this a debate? Hasn't this person already been told or it's been suggested to him he needs to repent?

BTW the lie that persists is that some here have said this person does not need to repent. Maybe we should talk about liars

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Charnock

Baloney. No one has stirred me up, and I am not angry.

Please stop with the drama.

This is always the collective response of the apostates on AFF.

Demonize, marginalize and hypothesize.

You have an agenda, Renda. It's obvious. AFF is what you wanted it to be.

It stands for nothing but freedom of speech, and the notion that it exists to win souls is downright sickening.

How can you win a soul win you can't even discern what it takes to be saved?

Originally Posted by Charnock

Homosexuality is a selfish, depraved condition.

Originally Posted by Charnock

Absolutely I do.

Doesn't matter if it works. My job is to show the lost a better way.

It's called evangelism. Try it some time.

This is what he said on the subject.

Now, go through and read all the tripe he said about everyone else. The point Berk isn't that it's wrong to warn someone, it's that Charnock came here accusing people of accepting sin, claiming a homosexual does not need to repent. That's all just lies. The point Berk is that his attitude from beginning to end doesn't add up to someone that is just trying to save a soul, particularly to someone that already admitted he knows according to what the church teaches, he is lost.

It wasn't his quoting scriptures, it was an incessant rant both aimed at this person and at this board (reprobates) and the lie that we accepted sin or claimed this person does not need to repent.

That's what it's about.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Berkley

What are you talking about? Nobody quoted scriptures to him. They were quoted to the greasey gracers who are obviously light on the message.

And the Fred Phelps award goes toooooooooooo?

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

This is what he said on the subject.

Now, go through and read all the tripe he said about everyone else. The point Berk isn't that it's wrong to warn someone, it's that Charnock came here accusing people of accepting sin, claiming a homosexual does not need to repent. That's all just lies. The point Berk is that his attitude from beginning to end doesn't add up to someone that is just trying to save a soul, particularly to someone that already admitted he knows according to what the church teaches, he is lost.

It wasn't his quoting scriptures, it was an incessant rant both aimed at this person and at this board (reprobates) and the lie that we accepted sin or claimed this person does not need to repent.

That's what it's about.

Thank you.

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

What helped you the most Berk? People that loved you despite your failures or someone telling you what you already know, over and over and over?

No one EVER condemned me to hell... at least not to my face... and YOU know that I am from a very Ultra Con church, originally. Everyone loved me. I had so much support from my youth group... and suprisingly, from my family. The youth group (those that knew of the issue) said that they love me and that it didn't matter what I was going through. They were always there with an encouraging word and prayer. They were not willing to let me slip through the cracks and fall into hell. My family said that they didn't care what direction I took, they support me either way. I wish everyone that struggled with "that" had the support system that I had.

I apologize for sounding like I got on the Charnook bandwagon, and I did to an extent. I just understand the "mindset" all too well that many get if they feel that you accept the lifestyle/sin.