Isaiah 3 and jewelry... - Page 119

Godsdrummer · #**1181** 11-15-2010, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Is this guy for real?

lol.

Mike

Yes this guy is real, at least I think he is, this thread has been going on for a year now, and Jfrog moved it, so it could be longer. What I am trying to figure out is if he is just imature, has learning disabilitys, or what. I will say this, if anyone wants to know how the term God "blinded thier eyes" relates in scripture, this is a good example. As this kind of spirit is the spirit that took over the hearts of several million people that refused to hear the message of the gospel and were destroyed with Jerusalem in 70 ad.

The people had refuse to see the true message in the OT and chose rather to follow thier traditions missing forever the kingdom of God.

The resoning of the pharise, was that salvation and eternal life was in following the rule book that they put together. (man made tradition) the fact that these tradtions were derived from the written word of God does not make it right.
Deu 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

I esspecialy love it when he talks down to people as if he is some great scholor or something, then turns around and shows his total lack of depth in study by the way he insist on tearing scripture apart and taking out of context a sentance to teach his doctrine.

Ah well

Truthseeker · #**1182** 11-15-2010, 08:11 AM

And in the midst of the seven candlesticks [one] like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

Jesus wore gold in rev 1:13???

mfblume · #**1183** 11-15-2010, 09:46 AM

Good brethren, thanks for all the input. Let me know if anyone answers why and how God would reason such a things as using unholy acts to illustrate holy ones (hint: HE WOULD NOT DO THAT

Hmmm.. what does that imply?), for that is the crux of the matter and resolves the entire question. And until then I bid this thread adieu!

I agree with you , Godsdrummer.

Truthseeker, the angels wear gold as well -- the same thing!

Revelation 15:6 And the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles.

onefaith2 · #**1184** 11-15-2010, 10:58 AM

Ah Holy Ghost, please give us a fresh baptism of holiness

mfblume · #**1185** 11-15-2010, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by onefaith2

Ah Holy Ghost, please give us a fresh baptism of holiness

If it's at the cost of contradicting scripture, it is not holiness.

It is amazing that with many folks the first thing that comes to mind when HOLINESS is mentioned is clothing. Never could figure that one out.

Had to mention when I saw your post.

onefaith2 · #**1186** 11-15-2010, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

If it's at the cost of contradicting scripture, it is not holiness.

It is amazing that with many folks the first thing that comes to mind when HOLINESS is mentioned is clothing. Never could figure that one out.

Had to mention when I saw your post.

If the HG deals with us about clothing, then we must obey. Would you not agree?

mfblume · #**1187** 11-15-2010, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by onefaith2

If the HG deals with us about clothing, then we must obey. Would you not agree?

Exactly. But the Spirit and the Word do not disagree either. I believe modesty is a must and necessity, but I do not believe forbiddence of jewelry is either taught in the bible or required of God. If someone has a problem with it and use it vainly, etc., then it is wrong. But the tradition that jewelry is wrong is error.

We have to obey anything the Holy Ghost deals with us about. But the question in this thread has been whether or not the Bible forbids wearing jewelry.

Also, like I said, something is wrong when the first thing that comes to our minds is clothing and dress when we think of the term HOLINESS. I believe being holy is a state of the heart which obviously affects the outward. But since it is a state of the heart, why do folks not think of that when they hear the term? Something is wrong.

Many people think the Holy Ghost is dealing with them about something that someone preaches to them. But if it is error that is being preached, then it is not the Holy Ghost dealing with them at all, but the pressure of an erring minister.

onefaith2 · #**1188** 11-15-2010, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Exactly. But the Spirit and the Word do not disagree either. I believe modesty is a must and necessity, but I do not believe forbiddence of jewelry is either taught in the bible or required of God. If someone has a problem with it and use it vainly, etc., then it is wrong. But the tradition that jewelry is wrong is error.

We have to obey anything the Holy Ghost deals with us about. But the question in this thread has been whether or not the Bible forbids wearing jewelry.

Also, like I said, something is wrong when the first thing that comes to our minds is clothing and dress when we think of the term HOLINESS. I believe being holy is a state of the heart which obviously affects the outward. But since it is a state of the heart, why do folks not think of that when they hear the term? Something is wrong.

Many people think the Holy Ghost is dealing with them about something that someone preaches to them. But if it is error that is being preached, then it is not the Holy Ghost dealing with them at all, but the pressure of an erring minister.

the matter of the heart indeed.. A holy Heart should eventually produce a Holy conversation

mfblume · #**1189** 11-15-2010, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by onefaith2

the matter of the heart indeed.. A holy Heart should eventually produce a Holy conversation

Precisely. But the issue is that what some consider holy conversation is not really holy at all, but merely religiously traditional. Just because someone says lack of all jewelry is being holy, that does not mean we can say holiness involves forbiddence of jewelry. For God to use a picture of giving jewelry to His lady in order to stand as a metaphor for His love for Jerusalem, it is ridiculous to say God is against the wearing of jewelry. God would not use an unholy act to illustrate a holy act.

Can you answer why God would use an unholy picture like that in Ezek 16 in order to show His love for Israel, if you think wearing jewelry is unholy? See the dilemma?

Peter intended women to know that dependence upon jewelry, etc., to win an unsaved husband is not the answer, and Paul meant for us to know that dependence upon jewelry to show Christian character was likewise not the answer. Neither of them meant to never wear that sort of thing. Just do not rely on it for mistakenly intended results.

Cindy · #**1190** 11-15-2010, 01:36 PM

I think sometimes we want to be right no matter what, just for the sake of being right. But a lot of time we believe what we believe, and can't understand someone else's point of view. No matter how much we discuss it. So, who has learned something from this thread, opposite of what they believe to be true on this subject?

I have. Maybe it was just an underlying message I needed. Don't give up, don't give in. But pay attention, you just might learn something.