Are Fat People Going to Hell?

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Coadie, you're the one being dishonest with what pel said.

First of all to those that have allergies to Gluten, yes it is a poison to which oddly enough you admitted!

Second Pel did not say "wheat is a poison".

Here is what he said

The result is that our bodies are inundated with unneeded calories and gluten at such high levels that more and more of our population is being "poisoned" by one of nature's most nutritious plants.

Pel also commented on how we have bred selected varieties AND refined it, and unless you've just been brain dead for the last several years, refined wheat is a high glycemic source which has contributed to obesity and diabetes.
If anyone is being dishonest and lying, it's you Coco. Your sophomoric attempt to come out better than probably the most intelligent person on this board back fired.

Looks like you are trying to fake knowledge of flour milling. When you pretend, the way you use words gives it away. They are called flour mills and not wheat refineries.

It is not a poison created at the "refining steps"

If you insist it is, please share with me the chemical formula for the poison.

What you struggle with is the concept celiac disease. It is not caused by increase in gluten in wheat. (which is an unsupported assertion by you and pel to begin with) Your digestive tract Doesn't really care if the bread was 12 or 13.5% protein. The celiac disease is related to the protein portion of the wheat or even oats that have some gluten on the flour.

If you want to act educated, consider celiac disease or some other enteritis is an illness and the wheat breeders and flour millers play no part in explaining the etiology of the illness.

Pel and praxeous are a little short of understanding again.

Pels claim must have darwiniac origins. bleached flours are actually higher in starches and lower in proteins.

[coadie]

Studies of patients with celiac disease using molecular techniques demonstrate a strong association with specific HLA class II genotypes. Approximately 95 percent of patients with celiac disease have a particular type of HLA DQ alpha and beta chain encoded by two genes, HLA-DQA1 0501 and HLA-DQB1 0201.10 If people genetically predisposed to celiac disease do not ingest gluten, they have no manifest illness. Delaying ingestion of gluten products through breast feeding or dietary habits may change or delay the onset of disease.11 Viral exposures may trigger an immunologic response in persons genetically susceptible to celiac disease; this occurs with adenovirus type 12, which shares a sequence of eight to 12 amino acids with the toxic gliadin fraction.12

Clinical Presentation

Infancy
During the first year of life, an infant may manifest celiac disease with intermittent vomiting, diarrhea, growth delay and failure to thrive. The incidence of this early classic presentation in infants has decreased. However, to prevent significant growth problems in infants, confirmation of celiac disease is important13 (Figure 3).

http://www.aafp.org/afp/980301ap/pruessn.html

In one study13 of a group of school children screened for IgA antigliadin antibodies, positive titers were found in 19 of the children. Endoscopic biopsies were performed in 18, and villous atrophy was found in 12. None of these children had shown characteristic symptoms of celiac disease.Today it is much easier to do biopsies of the intestinal wall.

It is the genetics of the human that link to manifestation of the disease. Pel imagines it was the wheat and flour milling. IgA antigliadin antibodies can be tested for in the human and show disease. The flour is clean and has no poison.
Serology tests for antigliadin and antiendomysial antibodies shows the person has an illness.
dermatitis herpetiformis is a symtom of the disease.
I am kinda hard to fool. You all try.

You all hijack the discussion of gluttony with gluten. Glad to be helpfull.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by coadie

Looks like you are trying to fake knowledge of flour milling. When you pretend, the way you use words gives it away. They are called flour mills and not wheat refineries.

Wow, are you delusional? I didn't say one word about refineries.

It is not a poison created at the "refining steps"

Once again, nobody said wheat is a poison. Another example of Coco's lying ways.

If you insist it is, please share with me the chemical formula for the poison.

Don't be asinine Coco. Nobody said wheat is a poison. It was stated as a refined substance to many is poisonous.

Do you know what the word poisonous means Coadie?

to some people, sugar can be poisonous,
To some people, too many bananas (high in potassium) is poisonous.

I already pointed it out twice and now for a third time, Pel did not say wheat is a poison.

What you struggle with is the concept celiac disease. It is not caused by increase in gluten in wheat. (which is an unsupported assertion by you and pel to begin with) Your digestive tract Doesn't really care if the bread was 12 or 13.5% protein. The celiac disease is related to the protein portion of the wheat or even oats that have some gluten on the flour.

What I struggle with is what most people on this board struggle with, dealing with your random boring thoughts day after day after day and inability to socialize with other people. Coadie, have you ever been diagnosed as a sociopath? Seriously...I bring up the point about high glycemic foods and refined wheat, you respond with some drivel about what the places are called where wheat is refined and some idiocy about a celiac disease?

Coadie it know your trying for "the most interesting man alive", but except for your fan club of 1, nobody here is buying this stuff you keep shoveling.

At times your responses are so random and pointless I have to wonder if you just aren't a poorly written talk bot that just spits out random thoughts.

You didn't deal with one thing I posted. Nobody is impressed Coadie. Anyone can google a topic and spit out random incoherent thoughts.

[coadie]

God knows best. If a baby is breast fed and exceeds 4-6 months before first having gluten introduced to their diet, they will have 2/3rds lower likelyhood of developing gluten allergies and celiac disease. iGa autoimmune changes in the cells of the pancreas (called “islet cell autoimmunity”) that are a precursor to diabetes also show up with less frequency with breast fed babies. In Africa, breast fed babies carry more immunity to intestinal disorders than formula fed. Breast fed and raw milk consuming children have lower rates of lactose intolerance.

Sucrose lactose glucose dextrose and other sugars and the bodies dealing with them are issues influenced in infancy.

Abstract
This study aimed to examine the carbohydrate content (monosaccharides, lactose, and oligosaccharides) of human milk over 4 months of lactation to determine whether any changes occurred over time. Milk samples from 46 mothers, who delivered at term, were collected at 4th, 10th, 30th, 60th, 90th, and 120th days after delivery. Carbohydrates were measured by high-pressure liquid chromatography. Mean lactose concentration (+/- SD) increased from 56 +/- 6.06 g/L on day 4 to 68.9 +/- 8.16 g/L on day 120. Oligosaccharide level decreased from 20.9 +/- 4.81 g/L to 12.9 +/- 3.30 g/L, respectively. Monosaccharides represented only 1.2% of total carbohydrates. The changes in carbohydrate composition found indicate that carbohydrate synthesis by the mammary gland is a dynamic process. The physiological and biological relevance of human milk oligosaccharides is also discussed.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8441573

Don't worry. Be happy. Have joy in the Lord. We need to let God be involved with our biology because he knows best. As adults, one of the best moves is eating cleaner food with no additives.

[DAII]

Yes ... but who's going to put out the grease fires?

[coadie]

Originally Posted by DAII

Yes ... but who's going to put out the grease fires?

Your question is an example of masking insecurity with attempted humor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qySx8...eature=related

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

NFS:

I agree with you! It needs to be discussed. It's kind of hard to have a reasonable discussion, though, when the church wavers between the two extremes of either turning a blind eye or putting all the fat people in hell.

Good point. I think this issue needs to be addressed outside of Religion. This is a problem beyond God and His will for our lives, although that can apply to some.

I talk about this problem with anyone, Christian or not. Just need to do it with a right spirit. When people in general live moderate and healthy lives, we all benefit from that.

Like I've stated in my previous opinions, I do not feel this is a Heaven or Hell issue.