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Originally Posted by phareztamar
so the question is can people throughout history demonstrate the fruit of the spirit without being spirit baptized in the modern pentecostal sense?
My opinion...no. It's also my opinion that the same Spirit baptism as occured on the day of pentecost has been available and experienced without a 1900 year gap. The gifts and callings of God are without repentance.
That said, I have seen many people demonstrate more love and compassion than some of my brothers and sisters in the faith, who have been baptized with the Holy Ghost.
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phareztamar, i do not doubt that the holy spirit has been working in the church, my only point is that there is no evidence in written history of spirit baptism with tongues, except for the early church and azusa in 1901. why doesn't augustine, aguinas, martin luther, john calvin, john edwards etc, none of these men mention spirit baptism with tongues. so even though the upc teaches spirit baptism is necessary for salvation, it cannot explain how christians were saved throughout history without spirit baptism. just look it up for yourself.
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