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Re: It's Time To Draft Ted Cruz for President
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Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam
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I don't click onto your links. The only thing I will say is that "murder" is a sin to any honest Christian. So, the murder rate in Houston is irrelevant to the discussion. Good attempt to sidetrack though.
And save yourself the trouble of bringing up tribal wars of the OT. It was survival of the fittest. It was either Israel as the survivor or another heathen people. I would prefer Israel to be the victor.
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Jews don't engage in terrorist attacks? What kind of ignorant nonsense is that? You DO know that the Jewish state was founded on terrorism don't you?
The Jews attacked EVERYBODY, including the British, to form their state. What you and those like you need to do is come out and declare it is OK in some cases and not OK in other places based on race or religious beliefs.
Ever heard of Irgun? Here's their list of terrorist attacks.
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Yes, I am familiar with Irgun. Are you familiar with the fact that the Jewish Agency condemned them for their acts?
I don't know any Muslim organization who has condemned Hamas or any other Muslim terrorist. I believe Greta VanSusteren just sent out a challenge to hear someone step up.
On a side note, it reminds me of the Mexicans that are still whining that the US "stole" their land. The want to overlook the facts of history - Santa Anna encouraged the Mexicans to go to Texas and other southern states. After they began to settle, he became a dictator to them and they fought and "won" their independence from his cruel hand.
Your list here doesn't show relevant facts. For one - GOD Almighty gave the land to the Hebrews. Israel belongs to the Jews. There were various tribes inhabiting the land before God instructed the Hebrews to conquer the land from the heathens who worshiped gods of their own making and would harm Israel thereby.
The age old argument or claim that Arab Palestinian rights to Arab Palestine is contradicted in history and has been pointed out by various historians and even Arabists that the land was named Palestina by the Romans in order to eradicate all traces of its Jewish history. Israel belongs to the Jews.
So, let's look at some of the facts concerning the Irgun:
- They were a military group that refused to bow to political pressure in their attempts to secure Israel.
- They were trying to protect the Israeli settlers from roaming Arabs who were causing havoc.
- The British began banning Jewish immigration and were not protecting the Jews.
The Jewish Agency condemned them for their acts.
This makes your list irrelevant.
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1937, March 2 Arabs killed on Bat Yam beach.
1937, November 14 10 Arabs killed by Irgun units launching attacks around Jerusalem, ("Black Sunday")
1938, April 12 2 Arabs and 2 British policemen were killed by a bomb in a train in Haifa.
1938, April 17 1 Arab was killed by a bomb detonated in a cafe in Haifa
1938, May 17 1 Arab policeman was killed in an attack on a bus in the Jerusalem-Hebron road.
1938, May 24 3 Arabs were shot and killed in Haifa.
1938, June 23 2 Arabs were killed near Tel Aviv.
1938, June 26 7 Arabs were killed by a bomb in Jaffa.
1938, June 27 1 Arab was killed in the yard of a hospital in Haifa.
1938, June (late) Unspecified number of Arabs killed by a bomb that was thrown into a crowded Arab market place in Jerusalem.
1938, July 5 7 Arabs were killed in several shooting attacks in Tel Aviv.
1938, July 5 3 Arabs were killed by a bomb detonated in a bus in Jerusalem.
1938, July 5 1 Arab was killed in another attack in Jerusalem.
1938, July 6 18 Arabs and 5 Jews were killed by two simultaneous bombs in the Arab melon market in Haifa. More than 60 people were wounded.
1938, July 8 4 Arabs were killed by a bomb in Jerusalem.
1938, July 16 10 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Jerusalem.
1938, July 25 43 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Haifa.
1938, August 26 24 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Jaffa.
1939, February 27 33 Arabs were killed in multiple attacks, incl. 24 by bomb in Arab market in Suk Quarter of Haifa and 4 by bomb in Arab vegetable market in Jerusalem.
1939, May 29 5 Arabs were killed by a mine detonated at the Rex cinema in Jerusalem.
1939, May 29 5 Arabs were shot and killed during a raid on the village of Biyar 'Adas.
1939, June 2 5 Arabs were killed by a bomb at the Jaffa Gate in Jerusalem.
1939, June 12 1 British bomb expert trying to defuse the bombs killed, during a post office in Jerusalem was bombing
1939, June 16 6 Arabs were killed in several attacks in Jerusalem.
1939, June 19 20 Arabs were killed by explosives mounted on a donkey at a marketplace in Haifa.
1939, June 29 13 Arabs were killed in several shooting attacks around Jaffa during a one-hour period.
1939, June 30 1 Arab was killed at a marketplace in Jerusalem.
1939, June 30 2 Arabs were shot and killed in Lifta.
1939, July 3 1 Arab was killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Haifa.
1939, July 4 2 Arabs were killed in two attacks in Jerusalem.
1939, July 20 1 Arab was killed at a train station in Jaffa.
1939, July 20 6 Arabs were killed in several attacks in Tel Aviv.
1939, July 20 3 Arabs were killed in Rehovot.
1939, August 27 2 British officers were killed by a mine in Jerusalem.
1944, September 27 Unknown number of casualties, around 150 Irgun members attacked four British police stations
1944, September 29 1 Senior British police officer of the Criminal Intelligence Department assassinated in Jerusalem.
1945, November 1 5 locomotives destroyed in Lydda station. Two staff, one soldier and one policeman killed.
1945, December 27 3 British policemen and 4 Sotho soldiers killed during the bombing of British CID headquarters in Jerusalem; 1 British soldier killed during attack of British army camp in north Tel Aviv
1946, February 22 Destroyed 14 aeroplanes at 5 RAF stations.
1946, July 22 91 people were killed at King David Hotel bombing mostly civilians, staff of the hotel or Secretariat,
41 Arabs, 15-28 British citizens, 17 Palestinian Jews, 2 Armenians, 1 Russian, 1 Greek and 1 Egyptian.
1946, October 30 2 British guards killed during Gunfire and explosion at Jerusalem Railway Station.
1946, October 31 Bombing of the British Embassy in Rome. Nearly half the building was destroyed and 3 people were injured.
1947, January 12 4 killed in bombing of British headquarters.
1947, March 1 17 British officers killed, during raid and explosion.
1947, March 12 1 British soldier killed during the attack on Schneller Camp.
1947, July 19 4 locations within Haifa are attacked, killing a British constable and injuring 12.
1947, July 29 2 kidnapped British sergeants hanged.
1947, September 26 4 British policemen killed in Irgun bank robbery.
1947, September 29 13 killed, 53 wounded in attack on British police station.
1947, December 11 13 killed in attack on Tireh, near Haifa
1947, December 12 20 killed, 5 wounded by barrel bomb at Damascus Gate.
1947, December 13 6 killed, 25 wounded by bombs outside Alhambra Cinema.
1947, December 13 5 killed, 47 wounded by two bombs at Damascus Gate.
1947, December 13 7 killed, 10 seriously injured in attack on al-'Abbasiyya.
1947, December 16(ca) 10 killed by bomb at Noga Cinema in Jaffa.
1947, December 29 14 Arabs killed by bomb in Jerusalem.
1947, December 30 6 Arabs killed and, 42 injured by grenades at Haifa refinery, precipitating the Haifa Oil Refinery massacre, which lead to the Balad al-Shaykh massacre.
1948, January 1 2 Arabs killed and 9 injured by shooting attack on cafe in Jaffa.
1948, January 5 14 Arabs killed and 19 injured by truck bomb outside the 3-storey 'Serrani', Jaffa's built Ottoman Town Hall
1948, January 7 20 Arabs killed by bomb at Jaffa Gate.
1948, February 10 7 Arabs killed near Ras el Ain after selling cows in Tel Aviv
1948, February 18 12 Arabs killed and 43 wounded at a marketplace in Ramla
1948, March 1 20 Britons killed and 30 wounded in the Bevingrad Officers Club bombing
1948, April 9-April 11 107-120 Arabs killed and massacred (the estimate generally accepted by scholars, instead the first announced number of 254) during and after the battle at the village of Deir Yassin near Jerusalem, by 132 Irgun and 60 Lehi fighters.
1948, April 6 7 British soldiers, including Commanding Officer, killed during an arms raid on Pardes Hanna Army camp.
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"Convert or die" is a Christian invention, not a Muslim invention.
From The Crusades, by Bernard Hamilton:1
“In 1309 the Teutonic Order moved its headquarters to Marienburg in Prussia. It had a papal license to wage perpetual war against the pagans and used this to launch annual crusades against Lithuania. These expeditions were very popular the nobility of northern Europe: campaigns were held twice a year, in the summer and in the winter when the order laid on special Christmas festivities for visiting crusaders.”
“The excuse for men who enjoyed fighting and to lay waste large parts of Lithuania in the name of Christ was removed in 1386 when the King of Lithuania, Ladislas Jagiello, married Queen Jadwiga of Poland and received Catholic baptism. The two kingdoms were united under Christian rulers and the Teutonic Knights no longer had any justification for crusading against pagans there.”
Lithuania was not the first country that fell victim to a campaign of lethal military force, for the purpose of forced conversion to Christianity. Three entire European nationalities became victims of genocide because they refused to become Christians:
“...the Vandals, Ostogoths, and Heruli. The last three were destroyed by the Pope of Rome because they refused to become ‘Christian.’ The armies of Emperor Justinian, in cooperation with the Pope, thrust the Ostrogoths out of the city of Rome. They have become extinct.”2
Jews had to endure the sword too. Millions of Jews from the fourth century CE until the 20th Century were forced to “kiss the sword” of Christ, or be put to death by that sword. Therefore, many, many Jews died at the hands of Christians in the name of Jesus. Fortunately, many Jews managed to survive. They survived by lying―they converted, but secretly remained Jews. The Christian Church finally realized what was happening and in 1492, the Spanish Inquisition tried to purge the country of these “Secret” Jews, called Marranos.
Islamic Law does not "force" conversions at the cost of life.
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I am wondering if you are aware that the Catholic Church preaches false doctrine - therefore - their acts will be judged by God in that last day. A Christian is a follower of Christ's doctrine. The Catholic Church does not teach that doctrine.
Although they had a reformation take place, they are still not of the Apostle's doctrine. They preach nothing that Peter preached on the Day of Pentecost. There is no other truth in this world.
You may want to look a little more educated when you judge "Christianity" and the "Crusades" by the Catholic Church. It would be a good idea to realize that about the Catholic Church and to also note that they were the ones in 325 AD who started the meme of the Jews being "Christ killers". They were the ones that began the Antisemitism fight - a priest testifying to that very fact after he researched the history of Catholicism and left the Catholic Church.
You see, the facts make your comments irrelevant.
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