Love One Another and the Cross

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Originally Posted by Shazeep

How can both be true, iow--

"God is Love."

"Everyone who does not believe like i do goes to hell."

Here is the logical fallacy in this salvation-by-works based implication.

When the word of God states God loved the entire world so much that He gave His Son in death as a sacrifice for us to have everlasting life, and then in the same breath said its those who BELIEVE who receive that eternal life, BELIEF is the key not works.

Joh 3:14-18 KJV And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: (15) That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. (16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (17) For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. (18) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Over and over, the most widely known passage showing God's love, spoken by Jesus, Himself, is surrounded and itself includes the need to BELIEVE. What specific thing must we believe? We must believe in His name/authority in being the one whose death is the avenue of God's love displayed to us for our salvation and reception of eternal life.

Someone comes along who rejects Christ's authority to be the one whose DEATH ALONE manifests God's love, and doesn't even believe Jesus was crucified, let alone the sole one whose authority in His death is the avenue of salvation. In short, it's not they don't believe WHAT I BELIEVE. lol. It is simply dishonest to phrase it in that manner. It's disbelief in what the very One, Himself, said about the avenue of God's love.

So, it is not a matter of disbelieving WHAT I BELIEVE. What I believe is not the focus. If I believe what Jesus said I must believe to get eternal life, then that is true. But to phrase it that way alone is absolutely dishonest, and severely disingenuous.

The actual focus is upon what JESUS SAID we must believe. So, if people do not believe what JESUS SAID THEY MUST BELIEVE, they are lost. It is a red herring and a dishonest lie to say the focus on our words is upon what we believe, and the claim that all who are lost because they disagree with that. The truth is all are lost who disagree with what Jesus said we must believe.

LIE: We claim people who don believe what we do are all going to hell.

TRUTH: People who do not believe what Jesus said we must believe are all going to hell.

Here's what we must believe:

Joh 3:14-18 KJV And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: (15) That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. (16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (17) For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. (18) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

And if they do not believe THAT, they are LOST AND CONDEMNED already.

Shazeep, do you agree with the following words?

Joh 3:14-18 KJV And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: (15) That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. (16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (17) For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. (18) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Shazeep, where is ONE NOTE of your salvation by the works of loving each other in the above passage -- or even the entire chapter? THAT chapter is speaking about salvation. Not the chapter about the good Samaritan.