Numerical Growth Is Not A Sign Of Revival...

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by allstate1

I guess I need to understand what you consider salvation. If you believe baptism is a necessity then your idea of having someone understand the concept of commitment or the kingdom and a commitment to the kingdom before baptism is putting the cart before the horse. Not to mention the millions of ideas and different beliefs of what commitment to the Kingdom is! If you wait for a full understanding or proof of such commitment one may never get baptized.

So you believe one can be saved, and yet not be a disciple of Jesus? You believe also one can be saved, and not be a member of the church? Help me understand this, because what I originally stated seems so self evident to me I am honestly surprised at your surprise.