Does the golden rule save without the cross?

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Originally Posted by shazeep

Ask him if he believes obedience to the golden rule saves us.

who are you even talking to, Mr B. Why not ask Christ?

Still avoiding the question I see. Why?

Let's continue.

12“So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

16In the same way, let your light shinet before men, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father in heaven.u

Christ Fulfills the Law

So, if we light our light shine and do to others what we wish done to us, without any inkling of Jesus dying on the cross, HIMSELF, we are saved?

17“Don’t assume that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.v 18For •I assure you: Until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letterw or one stroke of a letter will pass from the law until all things are accomplished. 19Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commands and teaches people to do so will be called least in the kingdom of heaven. But whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.x 20For I tell you, unless your righteousness surpasses that of the •scribes and •Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

Murder Begins in the Heart

wherein you might pay particular attention to the 'teaching others to do so' part.
so yes, you must have works, and in fact, works are what you must have to demonstrate your faith, and you demonstrate that you do not understand when you imagine that All Catholics are lost, and pretend that you have not sinned, and you add sin to sin when you teach others that they can accept Christ with their mouth, and diminish the Golden Rule.

Still avoiding my questions. Why?

By the way, I have sinned. And I never said anybody can accept Christ with their mouths and they don't have to obey the golden rule. But that is usual for you to twist what I said.

Anyway, still not answering my questions?

really, it is a very simple concept, and if you are genuinely confused just put the two concepts to a 6 year old and they will indicate the truth to you, which you still will not accept because you are guilty of judging, and wish to continue doing so because you enjoy it, and it boosts your ego, or put another way, it allows you to imagine that you are superior to others.

Always making it about me, and not the belief, and using this to distract from the questins you don't want to answer.

i apologize for going on like this, but you sin, and refuse to repent, and you are in my church,

PS I am NOT in your church. Sorry. I believe Jesus' death on the cross is something we MUST believe or be lost. I am NOT in your church.

so i am doing the best i know how as i understand it; we are currently essentially hearing further from our peers on the matter concerning my having brought "All Catholics Are Lost" to them, as you would not believe me when i first mentioned it, and as the real, unbiased poll has already verified, to whit; you do not know, just as Scripture tells us quite plainly,

You think you can judge, but you cannot!

and yet you persist. Good day.

I do not judge anyone. The bible made the judgment when it said we must believe and be baptized or else be lost. But since the guilty always shoot the messenger, and make it personal, I can see why you attack me instead of answer my simple questions.

So, it's a "good day" and you're leaving without answering my questions I see.

I understand why, but you just refuse to say why, let alone answer those questions. You do not want to exposed for the crossless gospel you offer people who do not want to believe Jesus even died. I actually UNDERSTAND your feeling. You don't want to see anyone lost. But it's not attacking people to let them know they are lost when they truly are. Unless we feel a person is lost without the faith in the cross for salvation, we will not inform them. So your compassion in not wanting to think people are lost must be adjusted for they will be lost unless they accept the cross of JESUS, not just THEIR OWN CROSSES. We will not tell them if we think they do not need to know the cross of Christ.

For example, you think muslims are not lost if they reject the cross of Jesus and yet the keep the golden rule. So, you will likely never tell a muslim they need to believe in the cross of Jesus and that he really did die.