There is so much misunderstanding and false representation here. There is such a poor argumentation sometimes too, and a lot of "because I say so". I would love that those that are responding to me at least show me some verses with an explanation of them, especially the ones that seem to contradict their view.
"It then puts the saved in heaven before the resurrection and the lost in hell before the judgement day."
Luke 23:43 (NKJV) 43 And Jesus said to him, "Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise."
Jesus put him in heaven before the resurrection, because Paradise is in Heaven:
2 Corinthians 12:2-4 (NKJV) 2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows—such a one was caught up to the third heaven. 3 And I know such a man—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows— 4 how he was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
Regarding the putting them in Hades of torment, I recognize we only have the story of Lazarus, but nobody here has provided enough convincing Biblical argument with good hermeneutics to explain away ALL the verses that seem to contradict their view of not existance of a Paradise or a hell for the departed souls.
So it would be appreciated if you continue in a Biblical debate instead of restating what you believe. I'm willing to change my mind if you have enough biblical evidences analyzed with normal language interpretation.
Another one:
"It is rather interesting that most believe “death” is the worst punishment you can face on this earth in a court of law, yet do not believe this about Judgment day in God’s court. Adherents of eternal torture hold such a low view of life, that death is not a punishment for them."
That's a misrepresentation. We believe in death as well but you know that we define death differently. You define it as cease to exists, we define as cease to live. First, you cease to live on this earth, and end up in a prison (Hades) in torment. That is not living, but being dead. Second you cease to live in the second death in an eternal state of destruction. We do not consider that as you are "living". So using your definition to then put it in our mouth and trying to make us look absurd or "how sad" is twisting our words. It is a misrepresentation.
Again, it would be highly appreciated if instead of restating what you believe again and again, please debate with Bible, and sound interpretation, explaining things accordantly. And also make an effort to understand the other side correctly before you go trying to refute them, otherwise the debate become unfruitful. If you can't do both, probably the best approach is that you just watch others do it.
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