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Originally Posted by Believer
Ignatius: Jesus Christ, who was with the Father before the beginning of time, and in the end revealed...He, being begotten by the Father before the beginning of time, was God the Word, the only-begotton Son, and remains the same forever. (Ignatius, letter to the Magnesians, 6, in ANF, vol 1)
Oneness do not believe that the Son was with the Father before time began, Ignatius did as well as all the other Early church Fathers
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In oneness theology God existed throughout eternity as one being, not two,
and not three. The Bible says that Jesus was the begotten Son. As a man,
Jesus was begotten and born in Bethlehem. As God he has existed throughout
eternity.
Jesus existed with the Father as the eternal Word, which is an inseperable
part of God, not as a second person who existed with the Father throughout
eternity. Before the birth of Christ, the Son existed only in the mind of God and in the foreknowledge of God. When Christ was born the incarnation took
place. God came to us in the form of a man. Not God the Son incarnating into
a man, but Yahweh God, our everlasting Father. As
Isaiah 9:6 says"Unto us a
child is born (begotten), unto us a Son is given, ...... and His name shall be
called Wonderful, Counselor, The Mighty God, THE EVERLASTING FATHER,
The Prince of Peace.
As for the writing of those whom we call the Early Church Fathers, it does
not really matter what they say, for their writings are not scripture or
divinely inspired. We also know they have been tampered with throughout
the centuries. Even Trinitarian theologians will acknowledge such.
As for Ignatius, it is thought by most theologians that his writings had a
modalist tone to them. He most certainly wrote in terms that Trinitarian
writers such as Tertullian would be most uncomfortable with.
Ignatius Epistle to the
Ephesians 7. "There is one Physician who is
possessed both of flesh and spirit; both made and not made; Go existing in
flesh; true life in death; both of Mary and of God; first passible and then
impassible - even Jesus Christ our Lord. Tertullian later ridiculed the modalists
for this very teaching.
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