Your Predictions for the coming elections???

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by scotty

All of this is exactly what I don't want. Negotiated prices means negotiated services. Ever heard of HMO?. No, I don't want the government telling me when and where and how much health care I can or can not get. Look at the IRS, the education dept., the welfare dept. Social Security. Why would you think I want them running my health care? And premiums went up initionally due to greedy lawsuits back about 10 yrs ago, only now are we looking at the long term results. Don't start another Democratic "gimme program" just because you don't want to make your trial lawyer lobby mad. Regulation can work with out taxing everyone to death.

Bro...my family goes to Canada every year. We have some good friends there and I've personally seen their system at work. You could say I saw Sicko before Michael Moore ever produced it. LOL You guys are using confusing terms. Leaders in the US aren't trying to create a "national health care system", they're trying to create a "national health insurance program." It's just subsidized insurance applied to prices negotiated between the government and the entire industry. It's not like the Republican HMO scheme. It's just insurance. You can go to see the doctor whenever and wherever you want to.

Aquil is right, right now our premiums are so high, and rising, because of a combination of three things...rising numbers of uninsured people seeking services, rising costs for prescription medication, and junk lawsuits. In France and Canada they cap lawsuits and most cases are not handled in court like in the US...they are handled by health care review boards and rewards are issued by those representatives who are medical professionals.

You see, Europe and Canada has already made costs more affordable, covered everyone, and reformed their malpractice systems to keep doctors from frivolous lawsuits.

American is SOOOOOO far behind the Western World in this area it's amazing. Other nations have highly successful public education systems, other nations have highly successful tax compliance, other nations have highly successful health care systems. America is already a second rate nation, we just can't bring ourselves to admit it yet. We need to catch up with the rest of the world and restore our greatness as a nation.

I assure you, in our current health care system your premiums will become so high even YOU will find yourself and your family uninsured. And bros, there's no reason for it. It doesn't have to be that way.

Thats the governments job, protect us from the evils of the world, be it other countries or the evils here. But its not to dictate our lives for us. It was not formed so we could pay it to provide for us as it sees fit. It was formed because that was the life the founders fought to get away from. It was formed so we could live with the freedom to provide for ourselves as we see fit.

Don't you realize that a healthy population is in our nation and our societies best interest? Right now America has one of the highest infant mortality rates, more obesity, diabetes, cancer, you name it than any other nation. Why? Because we live like slobs and most of us try to cut costs by not seeing a doctor as regularly as we should. In other nations people visit their doctor regularly and head off health problems faster than we do, they head them off when it costs less to treat them too. It's in our national interest to provide health care for all. We're not talking about buying everyone a hydrogen car...we're talking about health care. Many doctors just want to practice medicine, they don't wan the insanity the insurance companies are causing. Even the American Medical Association is advocating for a universal health insurance system. And doctors are increasingly advocating for universal health insurance. One reason is that they often work for hospitals and treat people who can't pay the bill. Sometimes a doctor will render services and the insurance company will decide not to cover the cost of the treatment. This isn't fair to doctors, they should be paid for their services not have to pass the cost down by increasing the cost of services for the rest of us.

You can list all the statistics you want, but if it puts us back to where we were pre-America then what have you gained? This is what it comes down to and what you can't argue with. You talk about the Republicans being bad by wanting globalization while in the same sentence supporting Democrats because they want to change our policies to be like other countries in the world ?

Don't you think that if other countries are doing better than we are with something we'd be wise to look into how they do it and adjust it to do here? For example the who idea behind capping malpractice suits and reforming laws to reduce frivolous lawsuits...they've been doing that in France for decades!!! The whole idea is working in France. And the conservatives are right on this part of the issue. Should we refuse to reform malpractice laws just because the French, Canadians, and Brits have successfully done so...or should we study them and do what it takes to do the same here???

If you start to notice a foul smell like your nose up someones rearend it is because you just circled around and come up behind yourself.

See my comments above. Aquil has some good points. If you like, under the Canadian flavor we have a thread on this subject where we are talking with ACTUAL CANADIANS who have universal health care. These are Apostolic brothers who will tell you the truth about their system compared to ours.

Trust me...we need to catch up and the only thing preventing us from doing so is...our fears.