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Old 07-14-2008, 08:46 PM
Dr. Vaughn
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Re: If the Abrahamic Covenant was entered into by

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Again, I think your premise is wrong. The talmed taught, I could look up the reference if you really were to challenge it, but I think you will take my word for it, that to recite the shema was to "take on the yoke of the kingdom of G-d." Jewish thought is purely racial, all Jews are "saved." Just because they are Jews.
Here is how I know this. I was concerned several years ago, about how they are saved? I reasoned that the sacrifice "rolled their sins forward for a year." If there is no sacrifice then there is no salvation, was my thought. Yours is if there is no circumcision then there is no salvation. Well I searched and searched and found the talmud quote. Then I had a conversation with a orthodox rabbi, he told me I was all wrong that sacrifice was an obediance and dedication that they would one day practice again, but their right to inherit the "world to come" was theirs by birth.
This argument is the same argument I use for water baptism and its essentiality. I preach that when a person is truly born again,, the proof will be in their obedience in water baptism..... the same applies here... when the Jew ish male is born he is cicumcised on the 8th day..... this identifies him in the Abrahamic COvenant...... should a parent choose not to circumcise the child then he was not truly Jewish Born
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