All of this socialism talk has me wondering

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by 1399

Hey buddy, the USA of history is ALREADY no more, in many aspects, negative and positive.

9/11 changed us forever and I don't think it necessarily had to. But it did and now we are not as free as we were before 9/11. Everyone is more careful, some say it's good, I'm sure it's not-- I just don't know how to put words to it without seeming irresponsible in terms of "security and safety".

How are we not as free? Because of the domestic and international survelliance conducted by the goverment? Please. You don't want the CIA or FBI listening to phone conversations between terrorists and thier sympathizers here in the US? They can listen to me all they want. I have nothing to hide. I'm in no danger. The only folks who should worry are terrorists and those that would aid and abet them.

Another glaring example is America's invasion of Iraq. With that one act, we lost years and years of credibility as a just nation in the eyes of the international community.

Most folks don't realize how unjust this action was-- not the actions of the troops, but the action of the Government that dictates the actions of the troops. Hussein got what was coming to him, but it should not have been us.

Okay. Let's talk about the FACTS here. I know its not always a convenient factor when it comes to the Bush bashers on Iraq but the truth can make you free if you're willing to embrace it. First, EVERYONE, including nations that opposed our actions against Hussein, all were in agreement that Hussein had WMDs in violation of the original cease-fire agreement of 1991. The info was proven to be faulty, but no one at the time had any reason to believe it was not true.

The loss of credibility was not with the US but with the UN since Hussen had violated 17 UN Resolutions and they did not have the integrity to back up those resolutions. Bush showed leadership, with a coaliton of many nations including Britian, Poland, Spain, Italy and dozens of other countries in support.

We did not lose a reputation as a just nation, just ask the millions of Iraqis who are living with more freedom than ever, more security, democracy, and prosperity. If we were unjust, 1399, why haven't we helped out our economy by trading the so-called "blood for oil" that the Bush bashers love to chant? We traded blood for freedom and justice in Iraq, as we always do. We are rebuilding this nation, its infrastructure and its fundamental institutions for a stable and freedom loving nation. Time is proving our credibility.

GWB's pumping of government cash into private, commercial banks HAS NEVER been done before and is THE CLOSEST TO SOCIALISM our country has lurked, ever. It happened on a Republican's watch, after 6 years of Republican domination of the House and Senate.

What he did will prove to be wise financially, but that man has violated a founding principle.

He has crossed a line that our country will never retreat from. He did so in the name of money.

Yes, the foundation for change has been laid, thanks to our Republican leadership!

Nothing Bush has done has come near FDR's New Deal or LBJ's Great Society. It is my understanding that private industry is supposed to pay the taxpayers back with interest and the ownership of the banking industry will return to the private sector. Lee Iacocca paid the US Treasury back the money we pumped into Chrysler to save it and the taxpayers actually made a profit. The S & L bailout did essentially the same thing. There is no plan or design for the government to own these financial institutions permanently.

1399 I see a trend in your posts. Much like the Obama campaign you repeat the talking points to dodge and weave and point the finger to divert the attention away from the truth. If the media wasn't so in the tank for BO and pro-Democrat, much of the misinformation out there about Iraq, the economy, the Obama campaign, Sarah Palin, etc would not exist.

Thanks for continuing to spread the false assertions and Bush bashing. Keep saying it enough times and people will eventually believe it. It has been effective for the NY Times, Boston Globe, Washington Post, ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, et al. It might be effective for you too.

Except for those of us who won't drink the Kool Aid without checking for the cyanide first.