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Originally Posted by TRFrance
vs 27 and 28 are not talking about the exact same event.
vs 27 is referring to his coming in the glory with his angels, i.e. his return after his resurrection that was to come.
The coming referred to in v 28 is a the same manifestation Deacon Blues referred to earlier... "Peter, who was there, indicates in II Peter 1:16-18 that, at this holy mount, they witnessed the "power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ" as follows:
"For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and COMING OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. (17) For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. (18) And this voice which came from heaven we heard, WHEN WE WERE WITH HIM IN THE HOLY MOUNT."" |
Incorrect. Peter was describing the overall concept of the Lord's coming and verified his accuracy of speaking of something he wrote earlier that was apart from anything to do with the transfiguration. He wrote in his earlier epistle of the coming of the Lord, and that was not the transfiguration he spoke about
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1 Peter 1:7 KJV That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
He also stated in the second epistle that he was reminding them of things he said formerly.
2 Peter 3:1 KJV This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
John Gill explained it thusly:
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This therefore was to be understood of an after coming of his, which the apostle had wrote of, and made known in his former epistle, 1Pe_1:7 and which he puts them in mind of in this, 2Pe_3:1, nor is the word παρουσια, used of any other coming of Christ, and this will be with power; and it designs his more near coming to take vengeance on the Jewish nation, and deliver his people from the afflictions and persecution they laboured under, and which was with great power;
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The context of
2 Peter 1 is entrance into the Kingdom of God.
2 Peter 1:10-11 KJV Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: (11) For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
Verse 16 has Peter saying His preaching of the Lord's coming was not a fable.
Jesus never CAME in the Transfiguration. How can you say HE CAME when He was transfigured?
The reason he mentioned the transfiguration was not to indicate that was the COMING of Jesus he referred to, but because Peter personally saw Christ transfigure to prove He indeed was the Messiah who said He would come again. Peter heard God's voice speak of Christ as Messiah. The transfiguration was associated with the coming of Jesus much later because He appeared that day in the manner in which He will appear when he comes. He was transfigured in such a manner in which He will in the future appear, that they knew His future coming was unable to be doubted. The transfiguration was a reference point to prove Christ's later coming in glory.
So verse 27 and 28 are indeed speaking of the same coming since both mention and coming, and the transfiguration was NOT A COMING. It can be a TOKEN of the coming that had not yet occurred yet. But it was not a coming.
And you never explained why DEATH was mentioned in verse 28.
Matthew 16:27-28 KJV For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. (28) Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
It should have read that there were some there who would not taste death (you do not say why death is mentioned) til they saw the son of man TRANSFIGURED -- NOT COMING -- in glory. But it does not say that. How is the transfiguration a COMING of the Lord?
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