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Old 04-10-2007, 07:55 AM
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Sheesh, SE, you really like your post. Here ya go!

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Submission is NOT an ugly word.
Agreed.

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Saints are to submit themselves to God. James 4:7
Saints are to submit to each other. Eph. 5:21
Saints are to submit ot civil authorities. 1Pet. 2:13
Saints are to submit to those have the rule of them spiritually. Heb. 13:7,17
I would change this to "Christians" unless by saints you mean pastors too.

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Wives are to submit to their own husbands. Eph.5:22
Agreed.

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If women are equal in authority then:
Then Christ is NOT the Head of the church BECAUSE the church is subject to Christ as a wife is subject to her husband. Eph.5:23-24
Paul was incorrect in saying it was FIT unto the Lord for wives to submit to their husbands. Col. 3:18
Then evidently the word of God is NOT blaspmemed as Paul declared when women are not obedient to their husbands. Titus 2:5
The example given of godly women in the OT by Peter 1Pet. 3:1-7 is incorrect and thus culture again trumps Biblical precedent.
No argument here as far as the husband/wife relationship is concerned.

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The FACT is:
God in the curse commanded women that "thy desire shall be to thy husband, and HE SHALL RULE OVER THEE." Gen. 3:16
The rulership of the husband over the wife is a CURSE. Which means that it was not God's plan in the beginning. Christians go back to the original plan as much as possible which is the husband being the head of the wife and not that the man RULES over the woman. True Christian men practice headship not rulership. Rulership is a curse.

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If this curse has been lifted then do you ladies:
have sorrow in conception and does sorrow accompany child birth???????
If NOT then the man is ruler over women in 2007.
Culture has NOT eliminated the curse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No, but a Christian man will try to eliminate this as much as possible for his wife in the same way that he understands that work is his curse and tries to eliminate that by using tools and other things. A Christian woman will help her husband with his work at times and he will try and lift the curse of ruler off of her. Women's lib movements see that men rule over women and hate it and try to lift the curse in the wrong way. The only way to lift the curse to any degree in this life is to live a life submitted to God.

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Now this question how could I be the ruler in my own house and my wife must Biblically submit to me THEN go to church and me submit to someone else's wife??????????????????????????????????????????
Because the husband is the head of the wife. Men are not the head of women. Big difference or God made a big mistake in appointing Deborah over all those men in the OT.
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