Why do you always make this subjective? Let's stick to objective discussion. We always read, "You... you need to... you are.. " Let's stay objective and deal with the issue and not one another. All of us, ookay?
Agreed!
It speaks about being snared by taking the jewelry from the idols. Israel had this problem. It does not simply say do not take jewelry lest you be ensnared. It says to not take the jewelry from the idols.
Mike, you're ignoring the pronoun modifications & relationships. That is, you're exchanging the actual grammar for your theology. The text "says" nothing of the sort of what you assert above. Again, the grammar necessitates that the "them," relates back to the "their," as in "their [people in the promised land] gods". The false "gods" were to be burned, then the Israelites were not to be ensnared w/ their gold & silver that was "on them." Of course I recognize that the context was idolatry, but there's also idolatry of/in the heart. "Thou shalt have no other gods before me."
Israel worshiped a brazen serpent.
Which has nothing to do w/ this passgae.
(Deu 7:25) The graven images of THEIR gods shall ye burn with fire: thou shalt not desire the silver or gold that is ON THEM [do you see the grammatical relationship Mike?], nor take it unto thee, lest thou be snared therein: for it is an abomination to the LORD thy God.
Of course the jewels were on the idols and God did not want the people to take them to themselves. But the fact is that they were from idols. You seem to think the idol connection is moot and irrelevant. But God stipulated it is from idols. You do not read anything about God telling people to not take jewelry, period. It is distinctly from idols. You think that has no bearing? God never said Rebekkah had an abomination and went to see Isaac, but we do read it is abomination to take that which is from idols. The very next verse mentions this.
For about the 7th time now, the grammar NECESSITATES that the silver & gold was on the people...not the idols! You're ignoring the grammar of the text. While you're appealling to Gen. w/ Rebekah, will you also appeal to Gen. 35 w/ Jacob & the jewelry? I doubt it.
(Deu 7:26) Neither shalt thou bring an abomination into thine house [Remember that when you climb in bed w/ your TV Mike], lest thou be a cursed thing like it: but thou shalt utterly detest it, and thou shalt utterly abhor it; for it is a cursed thing.
Yes, God is very concerned w/ what His people set up in their house...remember that at "Christ-Mass" & w/ your television set.
You know it is not nonsense. Be civil. If you would spend more time actually looking at the issue than thinking of how to demean those who disagree with you, this could be a good chat.
I agree, this COULD be a good chat. Perhaps even some misunderstandings about each camp could be straightened out, but you just cannot seem to see that you also throw out the condemning speech. Mike, I'm very REACTIVE in my nature. So, I would say that perhaps you should also practice what you're preaching to me.
No, it is the only sensible conclusion about the idea.
(1Pe 3:3) Whose adorning LET IT N-O-T BE [did you read that Mike?] be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;
(1Pe 3:4) But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.
G2889
κόσμος
kosmos
kos'-mos
Probably from the base of G2865; orderly arrangement, that is,
DECORATION [Did you notice this word Mike?]; by implication
the world (in a wide or narrow sense, including its inhabitants, literally or figuratively [morally]): - adorning, world.
They were told to not make their WORLDS, or infatuation, these things. He did not say do not wear them. He said do not make them your worlds. Kosmos.
You left part of the definition out Mike...it included "decoration". Selectivity will catch you everytime!
It follows Paul's general concept.
1Co 7:30-31 And they that weep, as though they wept not; and they that rejoice, as though they rejoiced not; and they that buy, as though they possessed not; (31) And they that use this world, as not abusing it: for the fashion of this world passeth away.
It is speaking of where their hearts are.
Men smarter than you and I see the manner in which Peter wrote and showed the true sense.
That's your opinion. I think you're a pretty bright fellow! Besides, do you also agree w/ Gill on his Godhead theology. How about the plan of salvation?
John Gill:
nor are we to suppose that the apostle forbids the use of what follows, but only when used in a luxurious and extravagant manner, and to feed pride and vanity, and encourage, lasciviousness and wantonness:
1Pe 3:3-4 Don't depend on things like fancy hairdos or gold jewelry or expensive clothes to make you look beautiful. (4) Be beautiful in your heart by being gentle and quiet. This kind of beauty will last, and God considers it very special.
I checked about 7 translations last night & everyone one of them say "NOT with....". I have to have an honest heart w/ that Mike.
Bro., look at the first posts you made to us and realize how things start. Let's end it here and now, okay?
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