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Old 08-30-2010, 08:23 PM
Jason B Jason B is offline
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Re: John MacArthur: POLYTHEIST?

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Originally Posted by pelathais View Post
MacArthur is (was!) recorded in a video with text here:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&ct=clnk&gl=us

This is the from the Google cache of a conference where he was apparently a keynote speaker. Here he says, "Sovereign election has already determined who will constitute the redeemed church. That was determined in the counsels of the Trinity before time began."

It is a common term used quite a bit by Evangelicals and others:

The Archbishop of Canterbury:
http://www.archbishopofcanterbury.org/1968

Wayne Gruden (a popular writer and theologian):
http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&ct=clnk&gl=us

J.C. Ryle (Victorian Era Bishop of Liverpool whose books are still popular):
http://rediscoveringthebible.com/Ryle14vv12-17.pdf
Sovereign election has already been determined. It has determined who will be saved and constitute the regenerate church. That was done in the councils of the Trinity before time began.

source: http://www.gty.org/Resources/Sermons...rowth+movement

Pel, I understand where your coming from. John MacArthurs website has the text of the sermon above using the term "councils". I don't really care which he meant, but my mai point was that trinitarians DO certainly at least speak of God in a way that lends itself towards the tritheism they so vehemently deny they believe. I've already mentioned my respect for John MacArthur, so this thread wasn't an attack at him.

However, in the creation thread you were really take hard digs at me over this, when in reality it seems at least plausible, if not probable that I understood exactly what he said. I guess all I'm asking is quit using my response to his comments in an effort to undermine my credibility, especially in light that his official website text of the sermon has the exact tem that I thought I heard him use.
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