How to Recognize Death Panels

[Walks_in_islam]

I suppose putting the uninsured into a taxi and dumping them around the corner is not the equivalent of a death panel? If so, then you already have death panels.

I suppose lists of "preferred" medications and "non-preferred" medications and "non-covered" medications is not the equivalent of a death panel? If so, then you already have them.

[Light]

Arizona's republican governor has already formed a death panel for a poor man with liver problems. This man had a liver from a donner but because of the governors policy she stopped the transplant. The liver went to someone else. He will die within a year unless he can raise half a million dollars.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Light

Arizona's republican governor has already formed a death panel for a poor man with liver problems. This man had a liver from a donner but because of the governors policy she stopped the transplant. The liver went to someone else. He will die within a year unless he can raise half a million dollars.

He can get a transplant. It just won't be free.

By Phil Galewitz

KHN Staff Writer

Sep 30, 2010


In Arizona, about 640,000 adult Medicaid recipients will lose coverage tomorrow for podiatry care, insulin pumps and most dental services. In Washington, D.C., in November, doctors who treat 250,000 Medicaid patients are scheduled to see their fees cut 20 percent.

These are some of the newest cutbacks in Medicaid as states grapple with surging enrollment -- and spending -- in the government health insurance program for the poor that covers nearly 49 million Americans

Light, the state doesn't collect for medicare. The feds did. The state pays it and much more.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by coadie

He can get a transplant. It just won't be free.

By Phil Galewitz

KHN Staff Writer

Sep 30, 2010


In Arizona, about 640,000 adult Medicaid recipients will lose coverage tomorrow for podiatry care, insulin pumps and most dental services. In Washington, D.C., in November, doctors who treat 250,000 Medicaid patients are scheduled to see their fees cut 20 percent.

These are some of the newest cutbacks in Medicaid as states grapple with surging enrollment -- and spending -- in the government health insurance program for the poor that covers nearly 49 million Americans

Light, the state doesn't collect for medicare. The feds did. The state pays it and much more.

If he already had a donor, how did the Governor's policies affect him so that now he does not have a donor?

[Light]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

If he already had a donor, how did the Governor's policies affect him so that now he does not have a donor?

Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer (R) commented recently on the cuts to her state's Health Care Cost Containment System, which have imperiled the lives of some patients in need of an organ transplant. Brewer said that people branding the cuts as a real-life incarnation of "death panels" should be asking the federal government to send more money -- a perhaps surprising position from someone who continues to oppose the federal health care reform legislation passed earlier this year.

Brewer has declined to hold a special session to reinstate the funds, a refusal that leaves some patients' lives hanging in the balance.

Britain's Channel 4 reports on a recent encounter with Gov. Brewer regarding the matter:

"How many people have to die before you are prepared to reverse your decision on the transplant operations?" seemed like the obvious question.
She said she thought that was unfair and started to explain how dire the state's financial situation is. If people are so worried about the transplant patients then they should ask the federal government in Washington to send us more money, she said. But she would not explain to me, or to any Democrats in the state capitol, what she has done with the nearly $200 million she was already given in 'stimulus funds' to spend on anything she liked.

[Light]

PHOENIX -- A Valley man was in the surgery room, prepped and ready for his life-saving liver transplant when doctors told him the state's Medicaid plan wouldn't cover the procedure.
Francisco Felix, who has Hepatitis C, has been on the waiting list for a new liver since April, his wife said. A liver became available and Felix was ready for surgery at Banner Good Samaritan Hospital.
Arizona's medicaid agency, AHCCCS, which has recently cut funding for some services, refused to pay for Felix's surgery.
AHCCCS no longer cover liver transplants but not for patients with Hepatitis C, according to Jennifer Carusett, a spokeswoman for AHCCCS.

The cuts were part of the Republican-lead legislature's plan to balance the budget, which Gov. Jan Brewer signed. The policy change took effect Oct. 1.

"I don't understand how she (Brewer) has the heart ... how this one person can make such a difference to all of us," said Sandra Felix, Francisco Felix's neice.
Democratic lawmakers are demanding a special session to discuss reinstating the transplant funds.
Leah Landrum Taylor, a Democrat who represents District 16 in Phoenix said she was horrified by what happened Tuesday.
"When this vote came before the floor, on the senate, we all spoke about what type of ramification this was going to have. When you slice things like this out of the budget, what we said is you're going to be taking away lives. So you're putting lives in your hands and you're going to decide to take it away. I call it a vote of no mercy," said Landrum Taylor.
Republican Rep. John Kavanaugh, from Fountain Hills, said he believed that lawmakers were going to take up the issue of reinstating transplant cuts first thing when they return to work in January. But he also added that he was not opposed to a special session.
The liver Felix hoped to receive Tuesday was directly donated to him by a family friend who suddenly died Monday. But because Felix could not come up with $200,000 by 10a.m. Tuesday, the liver was given to someone else. Felix went to the hospital hoping AHCCCS would fund the operation on an emergency ruling.
"The liver is gone because we don't have the money. That's why we lost this opportunity. But we have hope that something good is going to come," said his wife, Flor Felix.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Light

PHOENIX -- A Valley man was in the surgery room, prepped and ready for his life-saving liver transplant when doctors told him the state's Medicaid plan wouldn't cover the procedure.
Francisco Felix, who has Hepatitis C, has been on the waiting list for a new liver since April, his wife said. A liver became available and Felix was ready for surgery at Banner Good Samaritan Hospital.
Arizona's medicaid agency, AHCCCS, which has recently cut funding for some services, refused to pay for Felix's surgery.
AHCCCS no longer cover liver transplants but not for patients with Hepatitis C, according to Jennifer Carusett, a spokeswoman for AHCCCS.

The cuts were part of the Republican-lead legislature's plan to balance the budget, which Gov. Jan Brewer signed. The policy change took effect Oct. 1.

"I don't understand how she (Brewer) has the heart ... how this one person can make such a difference to all of us," said Sandra Felix, Francisco Felix's neice.
Democratic lawmakers are demanding a special session to discuss reinstating the transplant funds.
Leah Landrum Taylor, a Democrat who represents District 16 in Phoenix said she was horrified by what happened Tuesday.
"When this vote came before the floor, on the senate, we all spoke about what type of ramification this was going to have. When you slice things like this out of the budget, what we said is you're going to be taking away lives. So you're putting lives in your hands and you're going to decide to take it away. I call it a vote of no mercy," said Landrum Taylor.
Republican Rep. John Kavanaugh, from Fountain Hills, said he believed that lawmakers were going to take up the issue of reinstating transplant cuts first thing when they return to work in January. But he also added that he was not opposed to a special session.
The liver Felix hoped to receive Tuesday was directly donated to him by a family friend who suddenly died Monday. But because Felix could not come up with $200,000 by 10a.m. Tuesday, the liver was given to someone else. Felix went to the hospital hoping AHCCCS would fund the operation on an emergency ruling.
"The liver is gone because we don't have the money. That's why we lost this opportunity. But we have hope that something good is going to come," said his wife, Flor Felix.

In our church we pray for healing.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Light

PHOENIX -- A Valley man was in the surgery room, prepped and ready for his life-saving liver transplant when doctors told him the state's Medicaid plan wouldn't cover the procedure.
Francisco Felix, who has Hepatitis C, has been on the waiting list for a new liver since April, his wife said. A liver became available and Felix was ready for surgery at Banner Good Samaritan Hospital.
Arizona's medicaid agency, AHCCCS, which has recently cut funding for some services, refused to pay for Felix's surgery.
AHCCCS no longer cover liver transplants but not for patients with Hepatitis C, according to Jennifer Carusett, a spokeswoman for AHCCCS.

The cuts were part of the Republican-lead legislature's plan to balance the budget, which Gov. Jan Brewer signed. The policy change took effect Oct. 1.

"I don't understand how she (Brewer) has the heart ... how this one person can make such a difference to all of us," said Sandra Felix, Francisco Felix's neice.
Democratic lawmakers are demanding a special session to discuss reinstating the transplant funds.
Leah Landrum Taylor, a Democrat who represents District 16 in Phoenix said she was horrified by what happened Tuesday.
"When this vote came before the floor, on the senate, we all spoke about what type of ramification this was going to have. When you slice things like this out of the budget, what we said is you're going to be taking away lives. So you're putting lives in your hands and you're going to decide to take it away. I call it a vote of no mercy," said Landrum Taylor.
Republican Rep. John Kavanaugh, from Fountain Hills, said he believed that lawmakers were going to take up the issue of reinstating transplant cuts first thing when they return to work in January. But he also added that he was not opposed to a special session.
The liver Felix hoped to receive Tuesday was directly donated to him by a family friend who suddenly died Monday. But because Felix could not come up with $200,000 by 10a.m. Tuesday, the liver was given to someone else. Felix went to the hospital hoping AHCCCS would fund the operation on an emergency ruling.
"The liver is gone because we don't have the money. That's why we lost this opportunity. But we have hope that something good is going to come," said his wife, Flor Felix.

News flash bud light.

I know this young daddy is facing a fatal disease. His main illness is HCV or Hepatitis C. If ruined his current liver. The number one reason of transplant failure in patients with hcv is recurrence of HCV. Within 24 hours his new liver may be infected.

The best way for a young male to get hepatitis is by getting tattoos. I realize transplants are expensive and they are high risk for healthy recipients.

I know you want to attack and blame the cut throat Republican Governor. She played no part in his illness.

Hundreds wait for livers. I vote that the next liver donation goes to a person that doesn't have HIV or HCV.

Just for your medical info. He lost his liver because of HCV. A new liver will not cure his HCV.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

I suppose putting the uninsured into a taxi and dumping them around the corner is not the equivalent of a death panel? If so, then you already have death panels.

I suppose lists of "preferred" medications and "non-preferred" medications and "non-covered" medications is not the equivalent of a death panel? If so, then you already have them.

Apples and Bombardier Beetles.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

I suppose putting the uninsured into a taxi and dumping them around the corner is not the equivalent of a death panel? If so, then you already have death panels.

I suppose lists of "preferred" medications and "non-preferred" medications and "non-covered" medications is not the equivalent of a death panel? If so, then you already have them.

Wii - I do not believe you are speaking from experience about medications.
I deal with this every day and there is no "regular" medicine that would be denied someone, if it was needed.
The pharmaceutical companies themselves have programs that individuals who cannot afford the drugs can apply to and purchase the medications at a reduced rate.
Now it is not "given" to them, but they have to be willing to help with the process.