Just How Complicated and Convoluted Can We Make it

[BeenThinkin]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Matt 7:20
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
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What does YE shall know them mean????

We might fail in our judgements but doesn't change what Jesus said.

No one is trying to change what Jesus said, but please tell me Truthseeker what you will know about them from their fruit? Everything?

BT

[Apprehended]

Originally Posted by BeenThinkin

No one is trying to change what Jesus said, but please tell me Truthseeker what you will know about them from their fruit? Everything?

BT

If their fruit yields error, that is evil fruit.

Ye shall know them by their fruit.

We can judge all things. I don't want to sound condescending but shall I give you scripture? I think that you already know it.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Apprehended

If their fruit yields error, that is evil fruit.

Ye shall know them by their fruit.

We can judge all things. I don't want to sound condescending but shall I give you scripture? I think that you already know it.

Quite honestly, you've sounded nothing but.

[Apprehended]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Quite honestly, you've sounded nothing but.

Will you quit making those insults.

I'm trying hard to be very nice and accommodating to you.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by BeenThinkin

No one is trying to change what Jesus said, but please tell me Truthseeker what you will know about them from their fruit? Everything?

BT

Just like fruits takes time to appear on a tree, it might take time in people, but it will come.

[BeenThinkin]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Just like fruits takes time to appear on a tree, it might take time in people, but it will come.

What are you going to do until the fruit appears? Are you saying that it is impossible for you to sin tomorrow because you have the fruit?

I've made judgements on AFF about someone who was posting negative things. I formed an opinion to eventually find out that the person was "putting us on!" But I didn't know this. And I couldn't see any fruit that would tell me what was going on!

How will you know, when you make a judgement (excuse me - a fruit inspection) that the person just hasn't had time for the fruit to mature.

The best thing we can do is leave the judging up to the "Final Judge" and make sure we are right ourselves!

Mt 7:3* And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Mt 7:4* Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
Mt 7:5* Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.
Lu 6:41* And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but perceivest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Lu 6:42* Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother’s eye.

Been Thinkin

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by BeenThinkin

What are you going to do until the fruit appears? Are you saying that it is impossible for you to sin tomorrow because you have the fruit?

I've made judgements on AFF about someone who was posting negative things. I formed an opinion to eventually find out that the person was "putting us on!" But I didn't know this. And I couldn't see any fruit that would tell me what was going on!

How will you know, when you make a judgement (excuse me - a fruit inspection) that the person just hasn't had time for the fruit to mature.

The best thing we can do is leave the judging up to the "Final Judge" and make sure we are right ourselves!

Mt 7:3* And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Mt 7:4* Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
Mt 7:5* Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.
Lu 6:41* And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but perceivest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Lu 6:42* Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother’s eye.

Been Thinkin

You didn't answer my question? What does ye shall know them mean?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

You didn't answer my question? What does ye shall know them mean?

I started a thread "BY THEIR FRUITS..."

I think the truth of the issue is made known by comparing the Garden story with Matthew 7.

[BeenThinkin]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

You didn't answer my question? What does ye shall know them mean?

Well first off that particular passage was referring to false prophets that come into your midst. And you should know who is feeding you and you will know them by the Word.

I'm not talking about false prophets necessarily, I'm talking about the way we judge each other. You can try to side track this but simply tell me where and how we are allowed to be judges of each other. Does "judge not" mean anything? Does the mote in the eye mean anything?

What is your purpose in trying to water down the horrible act of judging? And if you think it doesn't go on, your horribly mistaken. I've seen it so many times when it had nothing to do with fruit.

Again, just tell me why you're asking the question you're asking. Are you trying to justify judging?

Been Thinkin

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by BeenThinkin

Well first off that particular passage was referring to false prophets that come into your midst. And you should know who is feeding you and you will know them by the Word.

I'm not talking about false prophets necessarily, I'm talking about the way we judge each other. You can try to side track this but simply tell me where and how we are allowed to be judges of each other. Does "judge not" mean anything? Does the mote in the eye mean anything?

What is your purpose in trying to water down the horrible act of judging? And if you think it doesn't go on, your horribly mistaken. I've seen it so many times when it had nothing to do with fruit.

Again, just tell me why you're asking the question you're asking. Are you trying to justify judging?

Been Thinkin

I'll take a closer look at matt7, always try to stay open for correction.

I agree many have errored with judgements. I'm think along the lines of actions tell the heart.

Out of the heart procedeth......

For example, if I know a brother is always getting drunk then my judgement would be he is a drunkard and fellowshiop should be held back til he repents.


If a person fornicates then they are a fornicator.

If they lie then they are liars.

If they commit adultery then they are an adulterer.


Make sense?