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01-16-2011, 06:50 AM
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Re: Electric Cars and the Environment?
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Prax, who has runs the wind farm in Tehachapi? That has been there for years I remember it being there at least 20 years ago.
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01-16-2011, 03:26 PM
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Re: Electric Cars and the Environment?
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Prax, who has runs the wind farm in Tehachapi? That has been there for years I remember it being there at least 20 years ago.
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I have no idea. I should take a tour out there some day since Im only 2 hours away.
Wow, these look really really old compared to the wind turbines Ive seen
These below look modern
The Tehachapi Wind Farm, with around 5,000 wind turbines, is the second largest collection of wind generators in the world (the largest is at the Altamont pass, near Livermore and the San Francisco Bay area), but is now the largest wind power array in the world in output. The turbines are operated by a dozen private companies, and collectively produce about 800 million kilowatt-hours of electricity, enough to meet the residential needs of 350,000 people every year. With over 15,000 turbines in the state (7,000 at Altamont and 3,000 at San Gorgonio Pass, near Palm Springs), wind power in California makes up about 1% of California's electricity.
http://ludb.clui.org/ex/i/CA4977/
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01-16-2011, 09:06 PM
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Re: Electric Cars and the Environment?
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I have no idea. I should take a tour out there some day since Im only 2 hours away.
Wow, these look really really old compared to the wind turbines Ive seen
These below look modern
The Tehachapi Wind Farm, with around 5,000 wind turbines, is the second largest collection of wind generators in the world (the largest is at the Altamont pass, near Livermore and the San Francisco Bay area), but is now the largest wind power array in the world in output. The turbines are operated by a dozen private companies, and collectively produce about 800 million kilowatt-hours of electricity, enough to meet the residential needs of 350,000 people every year. With over 15,000 turbines in the state (7,000 at Altamont and 3,000 at San Gorgonio Pass, near Palm Springs), wind power in California makes up about 1% of California's electricity.
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I commentd over a year ago that environmentalists had won litigation and Altamont Pass is shut down several months of the year during bird migration patterns. The golden eagle is a protected bird and the bird is safe and electric is stopped. I forget which part of the wind farms are stopped. Not all if I remember.
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01-16-2011, 11:28 PM
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Re: Electric Cars and the Environment?
Electric cars?
One bit of wisdom from"old age"......don't purchase anything the first year (or two!  )
Once it has been on the road a few years......maybe 
In the midwest I don't think there will be enough charging centers to get you out of town.
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01-17-2011, 06:15 AM
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Re: Electric Cars and the Environment?
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Electric cars?
One bit of wisdom from"old age"......don't purchase anything the first year (or two! )
Once it has been on the road a few years......maybe
In the midwest I don't think there will be enough charging centers to get you out of town. |
Well, yeah, that's why I am still waiting. 
I'm not going to depend upon an electric car for traveling long distances. My daily commute of 36 miles to work and back is well within the range of an electric vehicle.
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01-17-2011, 06:32 AM
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Re: Electric Cars and the Environment?
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Well, yeah, that's why I am still waiting.
I'm not going to depend upon an electric car for traveling long distances. My daily commute of 36 miles to work and back is well within the range of an electric vehicle. |
I am waiting till they weigh a few thousand pounds instead of a few hundred lbs...
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01-17-2011, 08:54 AM
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Re: Electric Cars and the Environment?
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Well, yeah, that's why I am still waiting.
I'm not going to depend upon an electric car for traveling long distances. My daily commute of 36 miles to work and back is well within the range of an electric vehicle. |
The chinese models are built without heater defroster or a/c. All of them greatly reduce driving range. Drive 36 miles and charge for a couple hours actually doubles and triples trip travel time.
Golf carts are wiped out after 18 holes use. They charge over night.They may go 2 rounds.
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01-17-2011, 09:06 AM
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Re: Electric Cars and the Environment?
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Originally Posted by coadie
The chinese models are built without heater defroster or a/c. All of them greatly reduce driving range. Drive 36 miles and charge for a couple hours actually doubles and triples trip travel time.
Golf carts are wiped out after 18 holes use. They charge over night.They may go 2 rounds.
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Coadie, you know what's funny? Electric cars used to be the norm and acceptable early in the last century. When the new-fangled gasoline car came along, it had acceptance problems becasuse it was noisy, broke down a lot, made a lot of noise, etc.
And yet look at where we are today. We overcame those problems, just like we will with any technology such as battery technology.
BTW, you talking about lead acid batteries which have a very poor energy denisity. You may want to read up on other battery technologies. The Nissan Leaf battery is said to have a range around 100 miles per charge. More than adequate for a lot of daily commuters.
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