Apostolic Singing Group on tonight's American Idol

[Justin]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Originally Apostolic Assemblies, weren't they? There's some older stuff on this board about one of their family members. Dunno how that worked out. Is it fair to have all of that out there and easily available via Google?

Originally Posted by Socialite

Yes. I think they still are.

Where does Apostolic Assemblies stand compared to UPCi or ALJC regarding doctrine?

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by Justin

Where does Apostolic Assemblies stand compared to UPCi or ALJC regarding doctrine?

Talk to my wife, she came from that church and the Gutierrez family taught her Bible Studies as a new convert. We had their father preach for us last year. She feels overjoyed to see these boys, come so far.

[Sherri]

So AI is letting groups sing now?> Not just solos? I haven't watched any yet this year.

[The Mrs]

Originally Posted by Sherri

So AI is letting groups sing now?> Not just solos? I haven't watched any yet this year.

I don't think it's any different this year. They'll still have to compete separately. And they did both sing solo a bit in their audition. They've let several audition together this year. More than I've ever seen before.

[missourimary]

Originally Posted by The Mrs

They've let several audition together this year. More than I've ever seen before.

From the look and sound of some of the soloists, I don't blame them!

[Theophil]

Originally Posted by Sherri

So AI is letting groups sing now?> Not just solos? I haven't watched any yet this year.

They let them sing a duet. that is the second duet I've seen, but I don't watch A.I. very much.

[Brad Murphy]

Even knowing there were supposed to be some apostolics appearing, it didn't click for me which of the performers were apostolic until someone pointed out specifically who they were in this thread.

By the way Hoovie - I remember the comment about making pies, I was SO mad at you... (in fact that is the part of the show that stands out the most to me) because I hate seeing how some more old-fashioned people treat their wives like they are just servants... then later when you came on the forum you mentioned that a lot of things were exaggerated or taken out of context, and over time I realized you were a great guy.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Brad Murphy

Even knowing there were supposed to be some apostolics appearing, it didn't click for me which of the performers were apostolic until someone pointed out specifically who they were in this thread.

By the way Hoovie - I remember the comment about making pies, I was SO mad at you... (in fact that is the part of the show that stands out the most to me) because I hate seeing how some more old-fashioned people treat their wives like they are just servants... then later when you came on the forum you mentioned that a lot of things were exaggerated or taken out of context, and over time I realized you were a great guy.

Yeah, it's not that she does not make me pies, but I have never told Kristin to bake me some pies! (it most certainly would not work.)

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Justin

Where does Apostolic Assemblies stand compared to UPCi or ALJC regarding doctrine?

The AA is the "Doily" wearing group. (I mean no disrespect here, just using the common colloquial terms for purposes of understanding). They believe in having their ladies wear a "veil." The contemporary style has been a knitted or crocheted affair - like an ornamental "doily" on furniture. They usually wear a rather small head covering - just enough to "get by" it seems. Funerals are the exception. There, the custom is to wear long flowing veils. Seeing several of the sisters comforting a widow or a family member beneath a small sea of shaking veils gets to me every time. You can't see the faces of your grieving friends, just the shaking veils as they weep.

The AA is Oneness and baptizes in Jesus name, though there are "flavors" just like in the UPC and other Apostolic groups. They suffered through a series of very public scandals recently (http://apostolicnews.blogspot.com/ , for example). The women generally trim their hair to enhance its attractiveness - split ends and such, but "long hair" is required and pretty much universal. The AA is also known for being rather harsh in disciplinary matters especially when it comes to "keeping the women in their place."

Throughout my lifetime I have seen what I have heard is a pretty common experience. A family or a sister leaves the AA to get a bit more freedom in Christ (they are rather insular in many other ways as well). But much to their surprise, while there is a more "open" environment in the UPC generally speaking, suddenly they are being forced to refrain from trimming their hair. The "reasons" for this are not Scriptural and so the whole process becomes manipulative and eventually rather harsh. This usually causes a great amount of confusion with the predictable reaction from the UPC side that alienates the former AA family and causes them to be hurt even more. I've seen and heard AA pastors use these experiences to keep their ladies in the flock. "Why go 'out there' (to the UPC) when they'll just hurt you over ridiculous and unBiblical commands?"

It's a sad cycle, but things are lightening up in many places and a more honest approach to both women's hair and the role of women in the church can be seen to be springing up.

[Elizabeth]

Originally Posted by pelathais

The AA is the "Doily" wearing group. (I mean no disrespect here, just using the common colloquial terms for purposes of understanding). They believe in having their ladies wear a "veil." The contemporary style has been a knitted or crocheted affair - like an ornamental "doily" on furniture. They usually wear a rather small head covering - just enough to "get by" it seems. Funerals are the exception. There, the custom is to wear long flowing veils. Seeing several of the sisters comforting a widow or a family member beneath a small sea of shaking veils gets to me every time. You can't see the faces of your grieving friends, just the shaking veils as they weep.

The AA is Oneness and baptizes in Jesus name, though there are "flavors" just like in the UPC and other Apostolic groups. They suffered through a series of very public scandals recently (http://apostolicnews.blogspot.com/ , for example). The women generally trim their hair to enhance its attractiveness - split ends and such, but "long hair" is required and pretty much universal. The AA is also known for being rather harsh in disciplinary matters especially when it comes to "keeping the women in their place."

Throughout my lifetime I have seen what I have heard is a pretty common experience. A family or a sister leaves the AA to get a bit more freedom in Christ (they are rather insular in many other ways as well). But much to their surprise, while there is a more "open" environment in the UPC generally speaking, suddenly they are being forced to refrain from trimming their hair. The "reasons" for this are not Scriptural and so the whole process becomes manipulative and eventually rather harsh. This usually causes a great amount of confusion with the predictable reaction from the UPC side that alienates the former AA family and causes them to be hurt even more. I've seen and heard AA pastors use these experiences to keep their ladies in the flock. "Why go 'out there' (to the UPC) when they'll just hurt you over ridiculous and unBiblical commands?"

It's a sad cycle, but things are lightening up in many places and a more honest approach to both women's hair and the role of women in the church can be seen to be springing up.

Actually some of what you are saying are generalizations of the AA and may or may not be true of every AA church.

I attended an AA church for the better part of 10yrs and I wore a veil for those many years and they were not small at all and did not resemble anything crocheted.

Many AA women do not cut their hair period.

Just like UPC churches; different churches have their personal preferences, just because one church does something doesn't necessarily mean they all do it.