Where do the lost spend eternity? Really!

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Don't put words in my mouth Timmy. I say exactly what I mean when I say it, I don't need you to try to stir up trouble by rewording it.

Your answer to my question "But do the 'saved' somehow stop 'loving evil', while the 'lost' (whether by choice or simply by never hearing the gospel) somehow 'love evil'?" was "Yes, the children of the devil love evil and the children of God love good." It's a common technique in conversation to make sure one understands the other party by paraphrasing and asking if it's correct. So, by "children of the devil" did you mean "the lost", or not? And are "the lost" those who have not obeyed Acts 2:38, or not? Were you answering my question about the saved and the lost, or not? It seemed like everything I said in my paraphrase logically followed from what you (and perhaps others) wrote. If I got it wrong, you could just correct me, rather than bash me. But suit yourself.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Doesn't sound like he is interested. Maybe if he came here to convince us only he is right and we are all wrong, he can stick with scriptures instead of the emotional rhetoric we have seen so far

Who's putting words in whose mouth now?

I have tried to get you folks to explain your beliefs with scripture. You have tried to do so. It hasn't worked, so far. If you want to give up, fine. I'll go my way, and will live my life as I see fit and pleasing to God, and it won't bother me one iota if you think I'm not.

Emotional rhetoric? Like concluding from what has been written here that I must be a child of the devil and love evil? I am a member of the class you've defined. If that doesn't make me a child of the devil, what does it do? Emotion or not, it's just simple logic. (Again, correct me if I'm wrong!)

And yes, I've read the rules. I'm here to learn about your faith, as provided in the rules. And in doing so, perhaps I have stirred the pot, and even annoyed some of you. I can't help it if you cannot answer my questions convincingly. Of course, you'll say I'm not trying to understand, just want to make trouble. You guys are good at reading minds.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Your answer to my question "But do the 'saved' somehow stop 'loving evil', while the 'lost' (whether by choice or simply by never hearing the gospel) somehow 'love evil'?" was "Yes, the children of the devil love evil and the children of God love good." It's a common technique in conversation to make sure one understands the other party by paraphrasing and asking if it's correct. So, by "children of the devil" did you mean "the lost", or not? And are "the lost" those who have not obeyed Acts 2:38, or not? Were you answering my question about the saved and the lost, or not? It seemed like everything I said in my paraphrase logically followed from what you (and perhaps others) wrote. If I got it wrong, you could just correct me, rather than bash me. But suit yourself.



Who's putting words in whose mouth now?

I have tried to get you folks to explain your beliefs with scripture. You have tried to do so. It hasn't worked, so far. If you want to give up, fine. I'll go my way, and will live my life as I see fit and pleasing to God, and it won't bother me one iota if you think I'm not.

Emotional rhetoric? Like concluding from what has been written here that I must be a child of the devil and love evil? I am a member of the class you've defined. If that doesn't make me a child of the devil, what does it do? Emotion or not, it's just simple logic. (Again, correct me if I'm wrong!)

And yes, I've read the rules. I'm here to learn about your faith, as provided in the rules. And in doing so, perhaps I have stirred the pot, and even annoyed some of you. I can't help it if you cannot answer my questions convincingly. Of course, you'll say I'm not trying to understand, just want to make trouble. You guys are good at reading minds.

Tim what is the Father's name???? Let us start there.

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Tim what is the Father's name???? Let us start there.

Huh? Why are you asking me? I'm here to learn, not teach, remember?

Oh, but if this is a pop quiz, to see if I've learned something of what you believe, let me try:

The Father's name is Jesus.

How did I do?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Huh? Why are you asking me? I'm here to learn, not teach, remember?

Oh, but if this is a pop quiz, to see if I've learned something of what you believe, let me try:

The Father's name is Jesus.

How did I do?

You did very good!

Now what is the name of the Son?

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

You did very good!

Now what is the name of the Son?

Oh that's eay! The Son's name is Jesus, too.

What scripture says the Father's name is Jesus?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Oh that's eay! The Son's name is Jesus, too.

What scripture says the Father's name is Jesus?

Have you changed your mind?

But here are a couple of passages:
Jn. 5:43, Heb. 1:4!

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Have you changed your mind?

But here are a couple of passages:
Jn. 5:43, Heb. 1:4!

I was just answering the pop quiz! I'm learning about what you believe. Don't believe it myself, yet.

I don't see the Father's name being Jesus in those scriptures. In John 5:43, Jesus says He came in His Father's name. I could do something "in my father's name", if I had power of attorney or otherwise was given authority to act on his behalf. But that doesn't mean my dad's name is Timmy! And it sure wouldn't mean I am my own father!

Hebrews 1:4 is maybe a bit closer, but still a stretch. The Son inherited a name from His Father, that's all it says. The whole chapter talks about the Father and the Son very much as if they were two persons! In v 1-1, God used to speak to man through prophets, but now He speaks through His Son. God's Son is heir of all things. The worlds were made through God's Son. V 3, the Son now sits on the right hand of Majesty. The Father speaks to His Son, etc. etc.

Besides, what if the Father's name is Jesus? That wouldn't prove that they are one and the same person. Lots of fathers name their sons after themselves. Or is that in the next lesson?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Your answer to my question "But do the 'saved' somehow stop 'loving evil', while the 'lost' (whether by choice or simply by never hearing the gospel) somehow 'love evil'?" was "Yes, the children of the devil love evil and the children of God love good." It's a common technique in conversation to make sure one understands the other party by paraphrasing and asking if it's correct. So, by "children of the devil" did you mean "the lost", or not? And are "the lost" those who have not obeyed Acts 2:38, or not? Were you answering my question about the saved and the lost, or not? It seemed like everything I said in my paraphrase logically followed from what you (and perhaps others) wrote. If I got it wrong, you could just correct me, rather than bash me. But suit yourself.

The unsaved Timmy are children of the devil regardless of WHY they are unsaved. Yes the unsaved love evil. The saved hate evil and love good. If you want to discuss HOW someone get's saved the make sure that is your question to begin with. Thread title....where to the lost spend eternity. You did not ask are the lost only those that don't obey acts 2:38

Who's putting words in whose mouth now?

Timmy, if you are here just to troll and fight with us, you might as well pack your bags and go home. If you want to know what we believe and why then we can do that, but I have no patience for someone that is just here to bait people and I think the other admins are in agreement

I have tried to get you folks to explain your beliefs with scripture. You have tried to do so. It hasn't worked, so far. If you want to give up, fine. I'll go my way, and will live my life as I see fit and pleasing to God, and it won't bother me one iota if you think I'm not.

See, Timmy, I have no said one thing about how you live your life pleasing to God. Yet you keep making emotive comments like that. Classic signs of a troll. Now I am telling you, if you want to discuss scriptures I am all for that and I will personally discuss scriptures with you.

You asked where do the lost go and the answer was the lake of fire...do I need to quote it for you or do you already know what verse I am refering to/?

Emotional rhetoric? Like concluding from what has been written here that I must be a child of the devil and love evil? I am a member of the class you've defined. If that doesn't make me a child of the devil, what does it do? Emotion or not, it's just simple logic. (Again, correct me if I'm wrong!)

I never said one thing about you personally as to being a child of anything. I never said you were lost or love evl or were going to hell. And an emotive argument is one that attempts to garner sympathetic votes or make someone feel guilty by reason of emotions. Truth is based on scriptures, not on whether or not you can garner a sympathetic vote or make someone feel guilty for saying you or anyone else is not saved. Again,what did you come here for? Approval? Or do you want to discuss what we believe and why?

And yes, I've read the rules. I'm here to learn about your faith, as provided in the rules. And in doing so, perhaps I have stirred the pot, and even annoyed some of you. I can't help it if you cannot answer my questions convincingly. Of course, you'll say I'm not trying to understand, just want to make trouble. You guys are good at reading minds.

See, someone that says "I can't help it if you cannot answer my questions convincingly" is not really someone that is here with an honest intent to discuss and learn, but sounds more like trolling.

Now, do you have any more questions on scriptures that I can answer and will you be answering our questions?

[Timmy]

Please show me where my paraphrase got it wrong. To repeat it for easier reference:

"children of the devil" = anyone who has not obeyed Acts 2:38, is that correct?

Maybe you personally haven't said it, but I'm pretty sure it's commonly believed among Apostolics that if you haven't obeyed Acts 2:38, you are unsaved. You did say that the unsaved are children of the devil. Where is my error?

I apologize for putting words in your mouth. But are they true words or false?

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Please show me where my paraphrase got it wrong. To repeat it for easier reference:

Maybe you personally haven't said it, but I'm pretty sure it's commonly believed among Apostolics that if you haven't obeyed Acts 2:38, you are unsaved. You did say that the unsaved are children of the devil. Where is my error?

I apologize for putting words in your mouth. But are they true words or false?

Bump for Praxeas.