The Slippery Emergent Slope

[Socialite]

I hate to sound like a UC, but a relevant verse would be Jesus' "Narrow is the way that leads to righteousness." This means there's a broad and attractive way that leads to death. Theological death is separation from God, which as far as I'm concerned, would justify Jesus' frequent analogies to fires, worms not dying, unquenched fires, etc...

[Apprehended]

Originally Posted by Socialite

I hate to sound like a UC, but a relevant verse would be Jesus' "Narrow is the way that leads to righteousness." This means there's a broad and attractive way that leads to death. Theological death is separation from God, which as far as I'm concerned, would justify Jesus' frequent analogies to fires, worms not dying, unquenched fires, etc...

Sounding like an UC is not all that bad. Welcome to the circle of the Holy.

Your statement above is excellent, not to mention the LAKE OF FIRE:

Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

] Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Socialite

I hate to sound like a UC, but a relevant verse would be Jesus' "Narrow is the way that leads to righteousness." This means there's a broad and attractive way that leads to death. Theological death is separation from God, which as far as I'm concerned, would justify Jesus' frequent analogies to fires, worms not dying, unquenched fires, etc...

That verse is no issue for UR, the disagree is to extrapolate the result of the broad way leading to endless torment or annihilation.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by crakjak

That verse is no issue for UR, the disagree is to extrapolate the result of the broad way leading to endless torment or annihilation.

There is a way to righteousness... where does the other way go?

Just a few verses later:

“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

The righteous are scarcely saved.

Argumentative acrobatics to make the UR case. Extremely speculative against the history of the Church, the plain evidence in the Text, etc...

And I'm not saying our understanding of exactly what hell/eternal death looks like is plain and clear, but the idea that those who are not on the Lord's side will not inherit eternal life is most definitely obvious.